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Nov 20 2010, 11:05 PM Post #1 |
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A quote from another thread. Lays out everything pretty much though. Agreed, training with a SSJ is not some automatic bonus. Training with a really strong opponent is definiltey going to be helpful. Which Goku is. So it's not really about SSJ, it's about Goku just being really strong, which is always helpful in training. But that's pretty understood anyway. Many people accept Piccolo's power post 3 year training. But there should be nothing different between Piccolo's potential after the Nail fusion , to the three years. As in the increases suggested for Piccolo in the Androids arc, should play some part in the Trunks Saga. There should be no significant change in makeup at this point. Obviously Piccolo trained harder, longer during the three years. But the makeup is still the same. And if you look closely at the attention Piccolo gets in that short span in the Trunks Saga, one definitley could plausibly think that Piccolo surpassed the base saiyans at this point already. Piccolo literally gets Vegeta to back down. I don't think Vegeta knows 100% if Piccolo is stronger than him or not, he is being testy as usual, but Vegeta mocks him, and Piccolo challenges him. IMO, Piccolo does not challenge those that he is completely inferior to. Piccolo seemed pretty darn confident to go against Vegeta, and I doubt he was dependant on Goku keeping the peace. IMO Piccolo whoops Vegeta and Base Trunks and hell Base Goku too. I might be on the higher end of how strong people think of Piccolo but it's not like I am being completely ridicolous. I have thought of Piccolo to be 10-25 million before. Although, I have found a better way... Piccolo as well as many characters gain power progressively. It's not like Piccolo gains 50 million a year. It's more like he gains a certain percentage a year, and that percentage stays the same somewhat, and his gains increase a lot as he gets stronger which results the next gain into a bigger amount. For example... If Fighter A doubles his power every year for 5 years... Fighter A Year 1 2 Year 2 4 Year 3 8 Year 4 16 Year 5 32 As you can see, he has an increase of 30 million. But he only doubled his strength each year. It's not the same as saying 30 million divided by 5 means that he would increase 5 million a year. This might not be perfectly explaining the issue but think about it for a second... Ok hopefully you guys get my drift, I apologize for not being able to get my point across any clearer. Now let's use that basis for Piccolo... Piccolo Against Freeza 1,500,000 Year 1 4,500,000 Ok let's just say Piccolo tripled his strength in one year of regular training, without distractions like Goku/vegeta had. With this newfound increase in potential it's really not all that crazy plus with the minor implications in the Trunks Saga it could be plausible. Some might say, hey that's way too low. BUt look if Piccolo was 15 million, then every year he should 10x his power. For 3 years on top of that it's unrealistic... Piccolo would be in the billions if you use the method I came up with prior, which I find more accurate than a simple increase of 15 mil a year... Android Arc training-- so we used a 3x increase for Piccolo in one year. Logically his android arc trainign would be superior to his training in that year on a year to year basis. He would be training harder, and with training partners. So on a year to year basis Android training will be higher. So let;s give Piccolo a 4x increase every year. Year 2 18 ,000,000 Year 3 72,000,000 Year 4 288,000,000 Now these numbers are not exactly what I have.... I have... Piccolo (Freeza) 1,500,000 ( mecha/Trunks) 4,000,000 (Androids ) 187,500,000 But as you can see, this method, which I feel is the best way for this issue, simply is a superior and logical way to do things. So you can see how Piccolo was still in the general range of the base saiyans whether a bit superior or inferior, yet is now on a SSJ level. Well, that was long, hopefully you guys actually read through it, I really feel this is the best method, which is the blueprint of what I used for my increases for Piccolo over the 4 years. |
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| lunar2 | Nov 21 2010, 12:10 AM Post #2 |
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good except for one thing. to be accurate, you would have to decrease the gains year to year at least slightly, to deal with the difficulty of challenging a well trained body. other wise you get tien multiplies his power by 7 training for saiyans, multiplies his power by twenty at least during his year on king kais planet, increasing from 1700 to 34,000. during three years of 7x a year 11,662,000. after seven years training until buu saga 9,604,158,466,000. keep going and the numbers get even farther out of whack. my own personal estimate puts tien anywhere from 88 to 200 million by the buu arc, depending on how much he gained at king kais planet. |
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Nov 21 2010, 07:57 AM Post #3 |
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I disagree. Potential warrants change of increase. Seeing how Piccolo is SSJ level in the androids arc, there should be no slowdown of increase. You must rememeber this is just a general basis, it's not an exact science. Tien's hits a point where he cannot increase many fold per year, the only reason Piccolo is able is because of the fusion with Nail which increased his potential ridicolously. Tien has probably hit his mark around the Androids Arc. I doubt he ever improves much after that. Rememeber, this is the guy who turns down ROSAT training. He hit his peak IMO. |
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| Doodification | Nov 21 2010, 08:44 AM Post #4 |
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Straya C^&*
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far out, i got confused after the third paragraph |
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