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Kai o Ken
Topic Started: Nov 2 2010, 02:48 AM (2,496 Views)
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Ok ongoing from my previous post in the verses thread: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8246660/1/#new

What was the reason for the discontinuation of the "kai o ken" technique in terms of other characters that aren't saiyans and aren't lucky enough to have a transformation.

why didnt king kai teach the kai o ken to tien, yamcha, and why didnt goku teach it to krillin. heck knowing how angery that vegeta got when he found out that goku had a technique that can double ones base power level... why didnt he sought the acquisition of this technique?
this could have bought him more time to build the suspense of the super saiyan.

all im saying is if krillin had learned it, a kai o ken x20 destruct o disk could have done a lot more than massage the back of perfect cell's neck.

so if anything in this new manga toriyammas attempting to make... i would love to see tien, krillin, yamcha, and piccolo... OH GOD PICCOLO!... imagin if piccolo(kami) had kai o ken that would put him near the ranks of ultra trunks and ssj2 vegeta!

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i never did understand why no one except goku ever used the kaioken, since yamcha, tien, chiaotzu, and piccolo all completed king kai's training. now maybe i'm missing something here, but normally if you "complete" a training course, you learn everything they have to teach. so those 4 at least should have been able to use the kaioken. and i dont think there was anything stating that kaioken x20 was the highest it went, that was just the highest used by goku. imagine krillin and tien kaioken x50 thats equal to the ssj trans, and thats probably why they never used it, because it puts them on ssj level.
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Pretty sure going over 20 would kill you
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Nov 2 2010, 04:21 AM
Pretty sure going over 20 would kill you
king kai thought going over 2 would kill goku, and he was wrong. its just a matter of training. the tribeam is supposed to kill you, but tien throws them around like candy on halloween. the evil containment wave is supposed to kill you, but tien mastered it and survived using it successfully on the wrong target. and kaioken x20 is supposed to kill you, but with enough training it can be surpassed as well.
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It puts such a strain on your body I don't think the humans would be able to use it. Just look at how thrashed Goku's body was after using it against Vegeta and he's a Saiyan. I really don't think humans could handle it. Piccolo on the other hand
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Nov 2 2010, 04:54 AM
It puts such a strain on your body I don't think the humans would be able to use it. Just look at how thrashed Goku's body was after using it against Vegeta and he's a Saiyan. I really don't think humans could handle it. Piccolo on the other hand
it would definitely take them longer to master it to that level, but they could do it, given time. piccolo should have an easier time than goku, since nameks seem to have greater base potential than saiyans, they just dont transform.
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Yeah, but 50x is a hell of alot more than 20x, you would have to train in seriously harsh conditions to withstand it
correct me if i'm wrong, i'm not entirely clear on kaiokens

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either harsher conditions or longer time, and piccolo can handle both, since he's got namekian toughness and namekian 1000 year lifespan
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Nameks are naturally equipped to handle harsh training conditions but we are talking about piccolo...
What about namek ark vegeta?
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he should be able to handle a x2 or x3 w/o to much trouble considering he is 4x as powerful as goku was on earth by the time he fights the ginyu force
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I think the humans SHOULD know it, and they SHOULDVE used it more. It'd be a great asset to them, itd keep them in the fray more.

Say, if someone like Tien or Piccolo got great at it, and mastered it, and took the technique farther than Goku did.. what if they got to Kaioken x 50? it'd be the same multiplier as SSJ.

Itd really give Tien or Piccolo a trump card. I'd love to see them use it as a last resort, having a thick red cloak of energy surround them and just send their power through the roof. Unlike SSJ, it'd be temporary, and have enormous strain on the body.

But I think its possible for the technique to be taken that far, especially by Piccolo and Tien. Kurirun, or Yamcha on the other hand? well, i'm not too sure...
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It would make Tien, Yamcha, Piccolo and Krillin useful and important again. Toriyama didn't want them to be a substantial influence on the plot so they never used the Kaio ken.
I think it would be cool if they did though.

The power levels those characters could achieve and the fights they could have won, it would have made Dragonball Z more dynamic. Honestly, knowing that Goku or Gohan kill all the major villains makes it a bit boring.
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Your right, by the end of "Z" every character that didn't have saiyan blood became almost useless, and it slightly ruined it

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I wouldn't worry so much about the strain it would take on tien or krillin body because if they mastered it, they would only use the x50 kaio ken in short bursts any way. It's not like they actually are strong enough to have been in prolonged periods of fights.

For example, when tien did the tri beam on imperfect cell, if it was a x20 tri beam, it would have actually done damage on cell instead of holding him back.
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Asking why they didnt learn Kaioken is the same as asking why no one else learnt the spirit bomb.

Why?
Because they couldnt.
King Kai waited years and years for a fighter who could finally master Kaioken and the only one that did was Goku. No one else can, not because their weak but because they cant handle it.

Much the same way only Saiyans are Super Saiyans.
Its a god like power only master by Goku because he is one out of billions and billions who can master it and use it to its full potential.

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