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tien vs. frieza
Topic Started: Oct 13 2010, 07:15 PM (2,817 Views)
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Oct 14 2010, 06:42 PM
Humans arenīt like Saiyans and are limited in power Krillin is the strongest Human and only comes close to the million range, heck even Gohan was stronger as a child then krillin, this just shows that Saiyans have more potential and didnīt u noticed? The Humans were always the weaker ones due the whole Z Saga.
so uub, who has a purely human body, is just a huge gaping plothole? of course i dont think humans can keep up with saiyans for long, thats why i gave the time differences between tien and frieza, im just saying that there are no inherent limitations on anyones power and that given enough time, anyone can reach any level. and if tien is limited to around 1,000,000 pl, please explain why he survived that hit from buu.
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Oct 14 2010, 06:49 PM
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Oct 14 2010, 06:42 PM
Humans arenīt like Saiyans and are limited in power Krillin is the strongest Human and only comes close to the million range, heck even Gohan was stronger as a child then krillin, this just shows that Saiyans have more potential and didnīt u noticed? The Humans were always the weaker ones due the whole Z Saga.
so uub, who has a purely human body, is just a huge gaping plothole? of course i dont think humans can keep up with saiyans for long, thats why i gave the time differences between tien and frieza, im just saying that there are no inherent limitations on anyones power and that given enough time, anyone can reach any level. and if tien is limited to around 1,000,000 pl, please explain why he survived that hit from buu.
Mr. Satan survived a hit from Kid Boo. No form of Boo ever goes straight for the kill, he likes to mess around with his victims and have a bit of fun first.

I think it might be possible for humans to have unlimited growth potential, but that's only if they go through progressively tougher training regimens like Goku did. Think about it: after training on King Kai's planet under 10x Earth's gravity for half a year or so, anything training he could do on Earth would be child's play in comparison. Unless he went in the ROSAT or Dr. Briefs' gravity machine, both of which are unlikely since it was implied that no one saw him again after the Cell Games. But anyway at his post King Kai level, training in the mountains would probably do little more than keep him in shape.

Tien would win only if he could hit Freeza with a Kikoho, which is unlikely considering Freeza's vastly superior speed.
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Oct 14 2010, 09:47 PM
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Oct 14 2010, 06:49 PM
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Oct 14 2010, 06:42 PM
Humans arenīt like Saiyans and are limited in power Krillin is the strongest Human and only comes close to the million range, heck even Gohan was stronger as a child then krillin, this just shows that Saiyans have more potential and didnīt u noticed? The Humans were always the weaker ones due the whole Z Saga.
so uub, who has a purely human body, is just a huge gaping plothole? of course i dont think humans can keep up with saiyans for long, thats why i gave the time differences between tien and frieza, im just saying that there are no inherent limitations on anyones power and that given enough time, anyone can reach any level. and if tien is limited to around 1,000,000 pl, please explain why he survived that hit from buu.
Mr. Satan survived a hit from Kid Boo. No form of Boo ever goes straight for the kill, he likes to mess around with his victims and have a bit of fun first.

I think it might be possible for humans to have unlimited growth potential, but that's only if they go through progressively tougher training regimens like Goku did. Think about it: after training on King Kai's planet under 10x Earth's gravity for half a year or so, anything training he could do on Earth would be child's play in comparison. Unless he went in the ROSAT or Dr. Briefs' gravity machine, both of which are unlikely since it was implied that no one saw him again after the Cell Games. But anyway at his post King Kai level, training in the mountains would probably do little more than keep him in shape.

Tien would win only if he could hit Freeza with a Kikoho, which is unlikely considering Freeza's vastly superior speed.
this actually does make sense, especially compared to what some people are saying. but goku went to 100x gravity and continued to increase at a more or less steady rate after namek. i do agree that after tough training regimens, easier ones will give decreased benifit, at least temporarily, but to say that after king kais planet, he wouldnt progress at all is a little extreme, especially since, like picollo, he can always spam the multiform to get a tougher workout. and tien has always focused on his speed.
Edited by lunar2, Oct 14 2010, 11:08 PM.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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It's kind of like this. Tien peppered Semi-PC with consecutive tribeams and it created evident signs of pain on Cell's face. Semi-Perfect Cell is incredibly powerful among most fighters in the DBZ universe, despite his small time in that form. Frieza isn't even matched up with Imperfect Cell, and I doubt Frieza could even hurt Semi-Perfect Cell. Any people new to various tribeam concepts better heed this piece of info; that technique is insane. In order to deflect Gotenks Absorbed Buu's chi attack at such a difference in power, and even hold a far FAR superior fighter down in a stalemate for some time you'd need to use just about the greatest individual and user generated attack in all of DBZ's universe. That's what Tien has. However, as a fighter and fighter only, I doubt he gained enough strength to beat 100% Frieza. The technique's effect on him would be interesting to see though, with Frieza's rapidly declining ki and whatnot.
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Well if you think its possible for a simple little human to be as strong as the legendary super saiyan( no one in general ) then that is just insane.
Seriously in Dragon Ball they were barely over 200.
You cant expect a simple human to be that strong, millions and millions of power is just not realistic.

And your wrong.
Humans do have limits. They cant go on forever. We are humans are we not?
We have physical limitations that cant be passed in our biological bodies.
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

Uub has the potential of Kid Buu though, and this makes him superior, so Uub is no ordinary human, its just Kid Buu in a human body with new personality.
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Exactly

Uub is Buu's reincarnation

Hence the term "Reincarnation" What do you expect?
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Oct 14 2010, 06:09 AM
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Oct 13 2010, 11:20 PM
***** it. If we're using filler, Ten is stronger than SSj Vegetto. Nobody can argue that. There. Fight's over with.
actually i can argue that, vegetto is stronger than buuhan, tien got ko'ed in one hit.
but tenshinhan is a god. hes got alien blood in him. he just didn't use all his potential and wanted goku and vegeta to beat boo. he could've beaten anybody he wanted in the series, but he knew what would happen in the future so he didn't.
explain this please
never mind im colorblind.
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Lol Kamikaze was just being funny
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lol hes obviously being sarcastic. hell i was going around saying cui died cos he accidently used more than 1% of his power vs vegeta and is actually stronger than anyone.
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

Lol, am i the only who thinks that krillin is above Vegettoīs Power Level, and was just holding back cause the power upping would destroy the planet?
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Hell no man.

Why did you think Krillen grew his hair back? So he could contain all of that AWESOME POWA MAN! SHINY HEAD TO DEADLY EVEN FOR OMEGA!
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

^ DERP!
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fine, tien end of gt after the hundred years in otherworld versus vegeta after his zenkai against frieza. is that a little closer for you? and you cant say that db humans have limits because real humans have limits. real humans cant harness enough ki to fly, barely enough to levitate.
Edited by lunar2, Oct 15 2010, 01:34 PM.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

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Oct 15 2010, 01:32 PM
fine, tien end of gt after the hundred years in otherworld versus vegeta after his zenkai against frieza. is that a little closer for you? and you cant say that db humans have limits because real humans have limits. real humans cant harness enough ki to fly, barely enough to levitate.
Humans arenīt a fighter race like the saiyans which progress their power in fighting. Thats what i mean with limited.
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