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The Cold family vs Dr GeroFamily
Topic Started: Oct 7 2010, 02:14 AM (833 Views)
Ussj Future Trunks Oct 7 2010, 02:14 AM Post #1
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 frieza, cooler and king cold vs 19, 20, 14 and 15.
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lunar2 Oct 7 2010, 03:04 AM Post #2
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 if king cold actually transforms and really fights, then he solos. if not, then androids slaughter.
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darkwarrior Oct 7 2010, 03:10 AM Post #3
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Androids
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Nusu Oct 7 2010, 06:24 AM Post #4
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

Cold Family if Cold really transforms. If not... Androids.
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+ Pyrus Oct 7 2010, 06:37 AM Post #5
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 Cooler would beat #19 and #20, but #14 and #15 would beat them all in one foul swoop.
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+ Ryebrid Oct 7 2010, 07:37 AM Post #6
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 So I've heard that King Cold is stronger than his son's.

SO Cold > Cooler > Freeza and

15 = 14?> 20 > 19

Goku beat Cooler no contest. Vegeta beat 19 and could have beaten 20 no contest. At the time he was a little bit stronger than Goku. So Goku still owns them both without Virus.

When Vegeta and trunks went serious they destroyed 14 and 15 no contest. In which we think that this movie took place at the time Vegeta turned SSJ, or somewhere around that.

Hard to say... depends how strong Cold is when he transforms to 4th form.

I would like the Changelings to win but i think the Androids might.
We just dont know how strong Cold is =/
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Nusu Oct 7 2010, 10:20 AM Post #7
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

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Oct 7 2010, 07:37 AM
So I've heard that King Cold is stronger than his son's.

SO Cold > Cooler > Freeza and

15 = 14?> 20 > 19

Goku beat Cooler no contest. Vegeta beat 19 and could have beaten 20 no contest. At the time he was a little bit stronger than Goku. So Goku still owns them both without Virus.

When Vegeta and trunks went serious they destroyed 14 and 15 no contest. In which we think that this movie took place at the time Vegeta turned SSJ, or somewhere around that.

Hard to say... depends how strong Cold is when he transforms to 4th form.

I would like the Changelings to win but i think the Androids might.
We just dont know how strong Cold is =/
Why just 15, 20, 19 and 14? This is gero´s family so... Cell, 18, 17 and 16 included or?
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lunar2 Oct 7 2010, 02:49 PM Post #8
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 well second form frieza was 1/120th of max assuming he was able to power to max as injured as he was, i personally think he couldnt and that his true max was about 200,000,000. but ill do the math both ways. second form cold is stronger than mecha frieza who is stated to be as strong as before, the mecha upgrades didnt improve pl because machines dont have ki. so cold is either 132,000,000 or 220,000,000 assuming a 10% increase. now multiply by 132 by 120 to get 1,584,000,000 for lower limit cold and 220 by 200 to get 44,000,000,000 for upper limit cold either number solos all androids and the big one takes spc as well.
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+ Pyrus Oct 7 2010, 03:39 PM Post #9
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 Cold is weaker than Freeza. I don't know why people keep thinking he somehow has this magical form that he can utilize which makes him stronger, when it's implied that even if he DID, it'd be weaker than Trunks. Cooler is stronger than both Freeza and Cold, and Trunks too if you believe his statements in Movie 5.
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lunar2 Oct 7 2010, 03:55 PM Post #10
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Cold is weaker than Freeza. I don't know why people keep thinking he somehow has this magical form that he can utilize which makes him stronger, when it's implied that even if he DID, it'd be weaker than Trunks. Cooler is stronger than both Freeza and Cold, and Trunks too if you believe his statements in Movie 5.
cold in second form was comparable to mecha frieza, he has 2 transformations to get to one percent of his power. do you honestly believe anyone else at that time period could so much as bruise full power king cold? now there is nothing magical about it, king cold is at about 1/2% full power and is compared to frieza. as with any of his race, he transes 2 times to get to base form, roughly doubling is power, then powers up to 100x that number, unless you are going to say that transes arent all the same when youve argued the reverse, that they are all the same, in other topics.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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+ Pyrus Oct 7 2010, 04:01 PM Post #11
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Oct 7 2010, 03:55 PM
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Oct 7 2010, 03:39 PM
Cold is weaker than Freeza. I don't know why people keep thinking he somehow has this magical form that he can utilize which makes him stronger, when it's implied that even if he DID, it'd be weaker than Trunks. Cooler is stronger than both Freeza and Cold, and Trunks too if you believe his statements in Movie 5.
cold in second form was comparable to mecha frieza, he has 2 transformations to get to one percent of his power. do you honestly believe anyone else at that time period could so much as bruise full power king cold? now there is nothing magical about it, king cold is at about 1/2% full power and is compared to frieza. as with any of his race, he transes 2 times to get to base form, roughly doubling is power, then powers up to 100x that number, unless you are going to say that transes arent all the same when youve argued the reverse, that they are all the same, in other topics.
That's all assumption though. Just because Cold looks like 2nd Form Freeza doesn't mean he himself is in his 2nd form. It's a good assumption, but eh. If Cold could've powered up to some other form or utilize more power in the form he was in, he would've. But he knew Trunks was stronger than him, which is why he tried to sweet-talk him instead. I think if he was actually stronger than Freeza by any good amount, he would've fought Trunks. But he because he didn't, it leads me to believe he was weaker than Freeza (or not stronger by any significant amount).

If I'm to understand it right, you're saying Cold could basically floor anybody up until like Semi-Perfect Cell or so?
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lunar2 Oct 7 2010, 04:14 PM Post #12
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 he didnt transform because that would leave him vulnerable, also since he cant sense ki, he didnt know how powerful trunks was, he thought that since he could probably do everything that trunks did, he was roughly equal to trunks, and that it was the sword that gave trunks such a huge advantage. it all comes down to changeling arrogance. and yes, i would put lower limit cold around high imperfect cell to semiperfect cell.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Nusu Oct 7 2010, 04:27 PM Post #13
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

True, Cold wasn´t able to sense ki.
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+ Pyrus Oct 7 2010, 10:03 PM Post #14
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he didnt transform because that would leave him vulnerable, also since he cant sense ki, he didnt know how powerful trunks was, he thought that since he could probably do everything that trunks did, he was roughly equal to trunks, and that it was the sword that gave trunks such a huge advantage. it all comes down to changeling arrogance. and yes, i would put lower limit cold around high imperfect cell to semiperfect cell.
He can't sense chi but he knows how powerful his son is. The look on his face when Freeza was killed just kind of sold his placement for me. Freeza states he's the most powerful being in the universe with Cold right there, and Cold doesn't say a thing. You'd think if Cold was really that arrogant, he would've corrected his son or said something.

Don't you think if Cold really was as powerful as you're saying, Freeza wouldn't have said they could "probably" defeat Goku? Don't you think he would've been certain?
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Ussj Future Trunks Oct 8 2010, 02:09 AM Post #15
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 lol 16, 17, 18 cell arent in this cos then it would be rape.
"I am Lord Freeza, whom none surpass me; no one even comes close!
BURN THIS INTO YOUR MIND! I am emperor of the universe! The likes of you are only fit to grovel at my FEET....or better still TO BE CRUSHED, LIKE AN INSECT AT THe WHIM OF YOUR MASTER!!!- Chris Ayres, Freeza, DBZKAI dub from Funimation
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