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Why is Gohan considered SSJ2 when he fought Broly?
Topic Started: Oct 2 2010, 11:51 PM (5,919 Views)
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I just felt real bad when i was debating u and everyone was taking ur side and calling my argument weak and based on nothing while urs was foolproof. But its ova.
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That's alright, man. I understood where you were coming from. I'm sure mine wasn't foolproof, far from it.

So, we should all disregard any sketches, and just assume Gohan was SSjG2. I'm serious. Look at him. He shines with SSjG2. =/
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If Gohan was Super Saiya-jin 2 in Movie 10, I would reconize Super Saiya-jin 2's attributes by the hair with one bang and lightining.

Like this.
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theres no lightning so ***** ssj2. thats why im saying its clearly ssjgrade2. i mean if you look at him and compare him to super vegeta, he comes up perfectly alike. and this would be the perfect time for him to debut this transformation really. we never saw him use it before so i think it makes sense.
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Oct 3 2010, 01:05 AM
It doesn't prove anything. They could have changed their mind at anytime and decided it made more sense if he was SSJ 1. The hair in Movie 10 isn't very convincing either. Unless I see a version where Gohan specifically mentions SSj 2 or the next level or something then I'm gonna assume he was SSJ 1.
But here's the problem: everything is consistent. Toriyama's drawings for SSjin 1 and 2 Teen Gohan before and after the tournament are all consistent. You don't see SSjin 1 Teen Gohan with two hairbangs after the tournament in the manga, and likewise, you don't see SSjin 1 Gohan with one hair strand before the tournament. The manga is reliable to come to a conclusion. Considering the fact that Movie 10 takes place before the tournament, since Movie 11 took place right after the world tournament, Gohan's hair should be Saiyaman-Arc style. And, as we watch the movie, we see that there are two distinct hairstyles Gohan exhibits while transformed, indicating two different states of Super Saiyan were utilized in Movie 10 by Gohan since they resemble the same hairstyles he has as an SSjin 1 and 2 in the Great Saiyaman Arc. So that's a pretty good indication in itself. When you have this evidence [and yes this is a form of evidence] the issue of the lack of lightning is no matter, since, afterall, Toei does not add lightning to SSjin 2s on all occasions. So, we ask ourselves rhetorically, what's stopping Movie 10 from being an exception, when proof has already been rounded up?

Secondly, I'd like to point to some other example. Movie 8 is also a great piece of evidence for determining whether Gohan was SSjin 2 in Movie 10 or not. If we are to believe that Goku and Gohan are Cell Games level, since Piccolo is Post-RoSaT, then that means Gohan would not be able to beat LSSjin Broly [Movie 8], let alone LSSjin Broly [Movie 10], who is stronger, which is stated mind you. To even challenge Broly Gohan would have to be SSjin 2. And as I've already pointed out, evidence to Gohan being SSjin 2 has already been made apparent.

Now, you could say, well, how come Gohan didn't go SSjin 2 against Buu?? Why would he do it against Broly and not against Buu? But disregarding the fact that Gohan not using SSjin 2 to fight Buu is a totally different case entirely, this is very easy to answer. Gohan's hair changed as I said, and at that time, if he were SSjin 2 it would've been identified by lightning in the manga. We see on the contrary that there is no lightning. So, since his two forms are indistinguishable at this time without lightning, we can know that if there is no lightning then he is not SSjin 2. Simple as that.
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I think gohan in the picture i've shown has Super Saiya-jin 2 hairstyle but the only thing that is missing is the lightning.

Full-Powered Super Saiya-jin is possibly the form Gohan used against Broly and as for Super Saiya-jin Grade form, The muscles are always bulky when in Super Saiya-jin Grade form, So I don't think Gohan was a Super Saiya-jin Grade in the movie. And i'll stand by that Gohan was Full-Powered Super Saiya-jin in the movie.

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It's a stupid film anyway. The way that beam struggle suddenly turned in their favour for no reason. Ridiculous.


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well toei is inconsistent so they probably missed the extra muscle from ssjg2.
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If Super Saiya-jin 2 Gohan was suppose to be in Movie 10 then I demand a remake of Movie 8 and Movie 10 so the whole movies finally make sense.
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i demand a remake as well
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With him stating that he's SSJ 2. And if they remake movie 8 they should come up with a viable way to stop Broly. That *****ing Toei punch pissed me off. It was allright until that bit.


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Oct 3 2010, 02:08 AM
i demand a remake as well
At least we agree on something about the broly movies.
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toriyama said ssj2, gohan is ssj2 simple as that you dont like it get his phone number and complain.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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Oct 3 2010, 02:48 AM
toriyama said ssj2, gohan is ssj2 simple as that you dont like it get his phone number and complain.
You just don't like other people opinions do you? If you believe Gohan was a Super Saiya-jin 2 in the movie then I respect your opinion with no arguments needed.

I believe Gohan was Full-Powered Super Saiya-jin and i'll stand by this opinion.
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i was not serious. yes i believe that gohan was ssj2 because it makes sense to me and ive seen the sketches, but the attitude was just feeding into the sarcasm of previous posts, sorry for the misunderstanding
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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