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why is he stronger?
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Kingpin	Sep 28 2010, 07:57 PM Post #1
Posts: 348 Group: Member Member #5,210 Joined: September 3, 2010 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? firefox Favourite Manga dbz, death note	im sorry you guys but i was hoping someone can help clarify how movie 8 broly is weaker than movie 10 broli. it seems that broli is weaker in movie 10 but since u guys are stuck on gohan being ssj2 you all just say he got stronger. how?
	Chief Try learning facts instead of spurting out incorrect garbage based on your own personal and unexperienced opinions.


+ Pyrus	Sep 28 2010, 08:03 PM Post #2
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Because Toriyama made a note of it when he designed Broly. I doubt Toei is going to just disregard a direct note from the man himself. And you have to look at the fights. He takes on a SSj2 in Movie 10, but he's beaten by the Force of Good in Movie 8, which, even though it's the Force of Good, isn't going to rival the power of a SSj2.
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~~p123~~	Sep 28 2010, 09:08 PM Post #3
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	I don't think there is a difference... Actually it's implied they are the same... Gohan " He's just as much of a challenge as before " Nothing contradicts that so... Movie 8 = Movie 10 as far as I am concerned.



+ Pelador	Sep 28 2010, 09:12 PM Post #4
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	If Gohan is SSJ 2 in Movie 10 then of course Broly has to be stronger. Having said that I have absolutely no idea if Gohan went SSJ 2 or not. I've seen it several times and I still don't know. They really should have said something just to make it clear. Stupid Toei.
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+ Pyrus	Sep 28 2010, 09:30 PM Post #5
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	No, what Gohan actually says is "He's as bad a monster as ever!", which doesn't imply Broly's stayed the same. It actually implies he's even worse than before, and this is just SSj Broly we're talking about. Haha. It's weird because the next thing he says is "And here I'm supposed to have powered up considerably since back!" Which kind of makes me think about my theory a little more. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 28 2010, 09:34 PM.
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~~p123~~	Sep 28 2010, 09:34 PM Post #6
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	Wow... Thank god.... I've been waiting for the original translation forever dude... You are awesome... Yea the Daiz has Broly getting a zenkai from what I recall... Crazy... SSJ Broly > Base Gohan > RSSJ Broly > MSSJ Goku ??? Whacha think about that? Man TOEI really jacked up the Broly movies..



+ Pyrus	Sep 28 2010, 09:36 PM Post #7
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I'm not so sure FPSSj Goku is weaker than RSSj Broly, so I can't say Base Teen Gohan is stronger than that.
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~~p123~~	Sep 28 2010, 10:04 PM Post #8
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	MSSJ Goku is implied to be weaker than RSSJ Broly a couple of times... King Kai implies it... And Goku says it as well I believe...



+ Pyrus	Sep 28 2010, 10:38 PM Post #9
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	p123 Sep 28 2010, 10:04 PM MSSJ Goku is implied to be weaker than RSSJ Broly a couple of times... King Kai implies it... And Goku says it as well I believe... Can you list the specifics? I know Kaio said that the Legendary Super Saiyan "might" be stronger than Goku, but yeah. I don't remember Goku ever saying it though, unless you mean when he restates what Kaio said when he's out looking for Broly on some busted up planet.
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darkwarrior	Sep 28 2010, 10:43 PM Post #10
Posts: 269 Group: Member Member #5,131 Joined: August 12, 2010 Favourite Anime DBZ	In Movie 10, Broly was supposedly frozen for seven years but he somehow got a zenkai (even though this ability is supposedly irrelevant after Cell is killed). Gohan lived a normal life but got weaker during those seven years. Also, NOTHING implies that Gohan is a SSJ2 in Movie 10. He is a SSJ1. Now some may say, "Why would Gohan fight LSSJ Broly as a SSJ1 when his life is on the line?". Well, why did he try fighting SSJ1 Broly in base form in the first place? Why did Vegeta fight Kid Buu once in base form? Why didn't Gotenks fight Super Buu as a SSJ3 in the time chamber? So for whatever reason, the Saiyans sometimes choose not to transform (probably because they like the challenge?). And anyone who wants to bring Gohan's hair style into this, he's shown with one bang as a SSJ1 during the 25th Budokai and even when he fought Dabura. People say Toriyama changed his style of Gohan's hair but unless he says so himself, I'll assume he forgot to draw him differently. I stand by my word that there is no way Broly is as strong as a SSJ2. He's probably a little stronger than a FPSSJ but that power is still nowhere near as powerful as a SSJ2. And for anyone saying Goku and Gohan were FPSSJs in Movie 8, they were not. If you recall in the anime, they only achieved FPSSJ through transforming in front of Cell. In Movie 8, they're just SSJ1s but like Vegeta said, they stay SSJ1 to increase stamina.



+ Pyrus	Sep 28 2010, 10:54 PM Post #11
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Toriyama doesn't have to outright say it. He showed us when he didn't bother to change Gohan's aura. He drew SSj Gohan with 1 bang during Videl's match, with a SSj aura. Then he drew SSj2 Gohan against Kibito, with a SSj2 aura. If Toriyama just "forgot" to draw him differently, he would've "forgotten" the aura as well. Since Toriyama didn't forget the lightning or the aura, I'm really pressed to believe he wouldn't forget something like Gohan's hair. Sure, one strand of hair is probably a lot easier to forget than the intensity of an aura or lightning, but still. Not to mention you can't just disregard his character sketch of Gohan either, just because it's not in the manga or Toriyama isn't literally putting it in front of your face saying "Look! This is what I did! Don't push it away, mayn!". Haha. Gohan's also got his SSj2 aura when he transforms too, but Toei left out the lightning because it's Toei, as I've already discussed in another topic. If you compare Gohan against Kibito to Gohan against Broly, you'll see it's a mirror image. And the auras. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 28 2010, 10:58 PM.
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darkwarrior	Sep 28 2010, 11:08 PM Post #12
Posts: 269 Group: Member Member #5,131 Joined: August 12, 2010 Favourite Anime DBZ	Kamikaze Pyro Sep 28 2010, 10:54 PM Toriyama doesn't have to outright say it. He showed us when he didn't bother to change Gohan's aura. He drew SSj Gohan with 1 bang during Videl's match, with a SSj aura. Then he drew SSj2 Gohan against Kibito, with a SSj2 aura. If Toriyama just "forgot" to draw him differently, he would've "forgotten" the aura as well. Since Toriyama didn't forget the lightning or the aura, I'm really pressed to believe he wouldn't forget something like Gohan's hair. Sure, one strand of hair is probably a lot easier to forget than the intensity of an aura or lightning, but still. Not to mention you can't just disregard his character sketch of Gohan either, just because it's not in the manga or Toriyama isn't literally putting it in front of your face saying "Look! This is what I did! Don't push it away, mayn!". Haha. Gohan's also got his SSj2 aura when he transforms too, but Toei left out the lightning because it's Toei, as I've already discussed in another topic. If you compare Gohan against Kibito to Gohan against Broly, you'll see it's a mirror image. And the auras. You say Gohan was SSJ2 but he punched Broly straight in the face and it had no affect. SSJ2 Vegeta actually had some affect on Kid Buu when he fought him and Kid Buu is much, much stronger than LSSJ Broly. So if Gohan was really a SSJ2 in Movie 10, then he must have at least lost 50% of his power. And if you wanna compare hairstyles, SSJ Vegeta's hair during the Buu Saga looks no different than his SSJ2 hairstyle. And at times, lighting isn't even shown when he's SSJ2. This doesn't make sense. Gohan is obviously SSJ1 in Movie 10. Also, Toriyama makes mistakes too. I read on here that the manga states Gohan was 16 years old when he was in high school but if you look back and count the years that went by (even a day in the time chamber), it only makes sense that he's 18 in high school. So yes, Toriyama makes mistakes too, like he probably did with Gohan's hair. Edited by darkwarrior, Sep 28 2010, 11:17 PM.



Gigacrusher	Sep 28 2010, 11:22 PM Post #13
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #4,955 Joined: June 15, 2010 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z, Naruto, One Piece, Outlaw Star....... What Browser do you use? Firefox	I don't get the big deal. Why can't we just say he's SSJ2??? If he has the ability to why would he choose to not go SSJ2 against someone like Broly. Besides the fact that he looks SSJ2 I think the reason you can tell he's Level 2 is because he basically fought Broly all by himself where as in the first movie it was 4 Super Sayians plus Piccolo couldn't take him. Obviously yes he needed the help to finish him off but he still stood up to him where as everyone just got completely dominated in the first movie. Also I wouldn't think they would keep power completely continues between the movies and the anime as above Vegeta vs Kid Buu is compared to Gohan vs Broly. What's to say SSJ2 Vegeta would do better against Broly then Gohan did huh? Then the above statement would make sense right? Gohan's is weaker from the time gap where as Vegeta got stronger. Or you could just watch the movie for the fun of it and forget all of this lol.
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+ Pelador	Sep 28 2010, 11:23 PM Post #14
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	The reason Vegeta had a percievable affect on Buu is just because Buu is squidgy. If Buu had been solid then Vegeta's attacks would have had no effect. I don't see how Broly's Zenkai could have increased his power by that much especially when he's been sat in a block of ice doing nothing for seven years. If Gohan lost some power so would Broly. Personally I'm not sure Gohan was SSJ 2 and it's just some incorrect artwork.
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darkwarrior	Sep 28 2010, 11:34 PM Post #15
Posts: 269 Group: Member Member #5,131 Joined: August 12, 2010 Favourite Anime DBZ	Pelador Sep 28 2010, 11:23 PM The reason Vegeta had a percievable affect on Buu is just because Buu is squidgy. If Buu had been solid then Vegeta's attacks would have had no effect. I don't see how Broly's Zenkai could have increased his power by that much especially when he's been sat in a block of ice doing nothing for seven years. If Gohan lost some power so would Broly. Personally I'm not sure Gohan was SSJ 2 and it's just some incorrect artwork. Doesn't matter what Buu's made out of. Gotenks punches weren't affecting Super Buu in the time chamber. The only logical explanation is that Gohan was drawn as a SSJ2 in Movie 10 but he was actually meant to be a SSJ1.



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