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| + Pyrus | Sep 29 2010, 10:03 PM Post #16 |
 
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Fat Boo stayed down for a while after SSj Kid Trunks kicked him, and there gap there is much larger than Pikkon/Cell. Also, I don't think Cell was fully powered, as in SPC. He didn't have an aura or any lightning around him, when he did before. But that's my opinion. Well, Goku wasn't a completely pushover in their fight. Pikkon was exerting considerably effort most of the time after Goku went SSj. If Pikkon was SPC level, and Goku was still around his Cell Games level (though he's stated to have powered up quite a bit training for the Other World Tournament), Pikkon would have one-shotted him no doubt. The fact that Goku survives the fight would mean he's somewhere around Pikkon's level, so if Pikkon is SPC level, then SSj Goku would be near SSj2 Kid Gohan's level as well. |
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| Ussj Future Trunks | Sep 30 2010, 04:38 AM Post #17 |
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>Fat Boo stayed down for a while after SSj Kid Trunks kicked him cos he was walking back slowly. fat buu was in no rush cos he wasnt taking anything seriously. cell was intent on killing goku. >: Pikkon is about as strong as SSJ1 Goku pikkon didnt look like he was having that much trouble. goku was getting raped till he found the weakness in pikkons attack. plus pikkon used some kaioken like technique vs spc if you remember. >LSSJ Broly took on that same Goku not even close to the same. dont try and compare weak ssj1 mid rosat goku to dead full powered goku. i think the only reason goku stood up to pikkon is cos pikkon didnt use his super kaioken like attack (if you remember goku actually did use super kaioken and still couldnt hurt pikkon), and because gokus body is more durable when dead. plus its a tournament. im not sure if either of them were fighting with everything they had. |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 30 2010, 04:46 AM Post #18 |
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You're right. Pikkon is definitely stronger than SSj Goku, but to the point where he's on SPC's level? I don't know about that. He should've one-shotted Goku then IMO. |
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| Nusu | Sep 30 2010, 06:08 AM Post #19 |
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He couldīve also been on Perfect Cellīs suppressed level, Or a bit stronger then that. |
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| darkwarrior | Sep 30 2010, 03:43 PM Post #20 |
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Mid ROSAT? He was already out the ROSAT. Goku didn't go full power against Pikkon like he did against Cell (hence the golden glowing). He was just regular old SSJ1 like when he fought Broly. In Movie 8, he probably didn't have the ability to go FPSSJ (full power) like he did against Cell. In fact, all of the SSJ1s were suppressed SSJ1s (no USSJ or FPSSJ) in Movie 8. Edited by darkwarrior, Sep 30 2010, 03:50 PM.
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| Nusu | Sep 30 2010, 03:53 PM Post #21 |
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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In Movie 8 they defentely where Post Rosat, FPSSJ isnīt a ability, Goku powerīd down thats all and powerīd up against Cell, Vegeta was ASSJ and so was Trunks, I donīt think that Goku goes suppressed against Broly who survived a Kamehameha attack, And who is able to destroy a planet with a ki blast lolīd. |
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| Wintergreen5000 | Sep 30 2010, 04:31 PM Post #22 |
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Pikkon certainly isn't on SCC's level. If he was then Goku wouldn't have beaten him. And the same goes for Pikkon being on Complete Cell's "full powered" level. Goku wouldn't have beaten him if he was. Now, Pikkon creamed Complete Cell's suppressed. That means that Pikkon was most likely on Complete Cell's powered up level, since he and Goku were almost even. And this of course just proves that Goku and Gohan were the same level of power in Movie 8 as they were in the Cell Game. |
 
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| + Pyrus | Sep 30 2010, 04:53 PM Post #23 |
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I'm missing something. How does that prove they're post-RoSaT in Movie 8? 
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| Nusu | Sep 30 2010, 06:09 PM Post #24 |
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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Well, I donīt mean all were, Gohan, Goku and Piccolo were 100%, I doubt that Trunks and Vegeta were the same as they were against Cell at the Cell Games, More like they were against Semi Cell, Due to the smiliar ownage what Cell gave Vegeta when he went perfect was alot smiliar to Brolyīs. Piccolo would never survive combat with Broly if he was pre rosat. Goku and Gohan must be MSSJ, Why? Well, It was the 10 days wait where the movie played, Goku was probably not transformed because Chi Chi told him to due to their interview they had at the private school, Gohan reverted probably to, Because he was in public, But he defenetly was MSSJ even if i am wrong, Gohan learnīd MSSJ and SSJ inside the RoSat so it would be a plot hole if Gohan had his new hair style and was SSJ but not MSSJ. I donīt think Vegeta or Trunks were as strong as they were against Cell, Because of Trunksīs long hair and due to the ownage Broly gave Vegeta was smiliar to the one Cell gave Vegeta. Edited by Nusu, Sep 30 2010, 06:15 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Sep 30 2010, 10:26 PM Post #25 |
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I can see where you're coming from. I differ in my mindset a bit though. Like I said in another topic, I think there were two parts to Goku & Gohan's training; 1) mastering the SSj form, and 2) maintaining it and training in it for the extra power. I think they got that first part done but didn't get far into the second, and were pulled out/exited the RoSaT for some reason or another (I think because Cell was no longer a threat, or something similar). |
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Sep 30 2010, 11:18 PM Post #26 |
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Even though we're actually debating over filler here, I'll try to get this right. Broly took a kamehameha to the face in movie 8. Pikkon was staggered by the same fighter's technique in his filler appearances. Pikkon got a cheap shot on suppressed Cell and didn't hold back, so. I don't exactly see why that matters. Pikkon may be faster, and slightly stronger than Goku, but not to the extent of which that he'd match that immortal beating Broly gave him in movie 8. Pikkon would stand a chance, but not a great one. If he had allies, he'd probably win just like Goku did though. |
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| Ussj Future Trunks | Oct 1 2010, 01:20 AM Post #27 |
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>He should've one-shotted Goku then IMO. so cell should have one shotted goku cos his 100% is so much stronger? like i said, gokus dead body can take way more punishment and hold more power in it. >Pikkon was staggered by the same fighter's technique in his filler appearances. well no *****. goku was a whole lot stronger than when he fought broly. >He was already out the ROSAT sigh...no. must i go through this? how can he be out of the rosat if no one cared when he powered up (if you remember, 50% of fpssj blew everyones minds. gohan cant be post rosat cos look how weak he was in the movie. even piccolo did better than gohan vs broly). >Goku powerīd down thats all for no *****ing reason. from what i know about fpssj, powering down is to miss the point and only make you weaker. cos then you would have to power up again and waste energy transforming. fpssj makes ssj feel like base so you dont HAVE TO POWER DOWN OR UP. > donīt think that Goku goes suppressed no. he used his full power but thats still not at the same level he was post rosat, proven by his powerups making everyone go "holy *****" and no one cared when he powered up vs broly. >If he was then Goku wouldn't have beaten him goku didnt beat him with his power level god dammit! >just proves that Goku and Gohan were the same level of power in Movie 8 as they were in the Cell Game. nothing can. >Piccolo would never survive combat with Broly like how he would never survive combat with cell jrs or bojack? how about piccolo fused with nail surviving vs 17? piccolo survived cos the plot said so lol. >Goku and Gohan must be MSSJ and yet they arent. funny how you can be a form without being in it. base is not mssj. its freaking base. the point of mssj is that you dont need to go down to base and then force yourself to power up again. it defeats the point entirely. >Because he was in public he was driving around in cell games filler with blond hair. there is no reason in *****ing hell that goku would power down. >were pulled out/exited the RoSaT for some reason or another ( well they did exit early (not the full year). i think they just powered down for good when they realised there was no one left to fight. well goku was still MUCH stronger when he fought pikkon and much more durable. so broly wouldnt stand a chance against someone who was slapping around a much stronger goku. |
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| + Pyrus | Oct 1 2010, 01:50 AM Post #28 |
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Cell didn't fight Goku at full power though, so we don't know. But I'm inclined to think he could. |
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| darkwarrior | Oct 1 2010, 02:42 AM Post #29 |
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Goku and Gohan were not at full power in Movie 8. I've said this at least twice already. Remember when they both powered up against Cell they were glowing gold - which signified they were at 100%. When Goku was SSJ1 right before he faced Cell, everyone thought they were pretty even but when both Goku and Cell powered up to full power (Goku glowing gold and Cell glowing purple), almost everyone shat their pants. Goku and Gohan never fought at this full power in Movie 8. I used to own Movie 8 and they never showed any golden glowing to signify FPSSJ. So in both Movie 8 and when he fought against Pikkon, Goku was just SSJ1, not FPSSJ (full power). |
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| + Pyrus | Oct 1 2010, 03:15 AM Post #30 |
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Yeah, but when Goku and Gohan are at full power in the Boo saga, there's no glowing. They were both FPSSj, just not 100% powered up yet. I'm talking the Cell Games. Edited by Pyrus, Oct 1 2010, 03:16 AM.
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