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Hirudegarn - Strongest Villain in Z?
Topic Started: Sep 23 2010, 05:59 AM (2,521 Views)
+ Ryebrid Sep 24 2010, 05:36 AM Post #16
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 IMO Hirudegarn is stupidly strong in the movie, and toei stuffed up Goku being stronger than Gohan.
I wouldnt take everything seen in this movie to heart.
Especially the "One hit KO, break a fusion" smash. Thats just completely stupid.

And all of you are spell checking Hirudegarn and making it "Hildegarn" lol... :w00t:
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+ Pyrus Sep 24 2010, 05:58 AM Post #17
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But, it's not proven that he powered up.

It's also not proven that he didn't! :p
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I think it can only be said that he revved his power up.

Well, what's the difference? Sorry if I sound noobish, but yeah. "Revving up" and "powering up" sounds synonymous to me.
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he didnt need to since he knew the monsters weakness. considering hirudegarn just beat gohan and gotenks in one hit effortlessly, i think he would have fused with vegeta if he didnt know he could win without it. remember trunks cut off his tail. that probably drained the monsters power. and goku was saying through the movie "you have a weakness. everything does".

...What the *****? Someone is actually using their brain when looking at Movie 13? :w00t: Just keeding, but yeah, aside from maybe a handful of posters on Daizex and ChompOnThis from Pojo, I've never seen anybody use this explanation. I've said it multiple times on Pojo but I guess everybody seems to skip those posts, or they just want to continue complaining about the inconsistency in powers that doesn't really exist when looking at it from this logical angle.

Wow.
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probably letting out his energy in rage or something imo. gogeta wasnt even fazed.

That's also a possibility, yeah. But Gogeta was just so strong it didn't even matter. Haha.
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alright but i still think anyone who can rape gohan gotenks goku and vegeta all at the same time has to be a beast.

if buutenks didnt have regeneration i think he would be toast vs hirudegarn.

I 95% agree here. Bootenks still has techniques from everybody he's absorbed, plus his own original ones.
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Especially the "One hit KO, break a fusion" smash. Thats just completely stupid.

That was pretty whack, but still epic. It just showed how powerful Hildegarn was in my opinion.
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And all of you are spell checking Hirudegarn and making it "Hildegarn" lol... :w00t:

Nah, it's the Japanese way or something. Like how Krillin would be "Kuririn", and Piccolo would be "Pikkoro", Vegeta would be "Bejita", etc. etc.
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+ Ryebrid Sep 24 2010, 06:04 AM Post #18
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 Since when is Japanese in an American spell check? o.0

The one hit KO thing is stupid.
Nothing can break the fusion except the time.
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Nusu Sep 24 2010, 06:21 AM Post #19
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

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Sep 24 2010, 02:47 AM
>Buuhan is also stronger then Hirdugarn or Goku would´ve fused
he didnt need to since he knew the monsters weakness. considering hirudegarn just beat gohan and gotenks in one hit effortlessly, i think he would have fused with vegeta if he didnt know he could win without it. remember trunks cut off his tail. that probably drained the monsters power. and goku was saying through the movie "you have a weakness. everything does".

> Unless him powering up at the end when Gogeta arrived
probably letting out his energy in rage or something imo. gogeta wasnt even fazed.

alright but i still think anyone who can rape gohan gotenks goku and vegeta all at the same time has to be a beast.

if buutenks didnt have regeneration i think he would be toast vs hirudegarn.
Point there.


Yeah, It wasn´t enough of course, At least not for Gogeta´s league.




HE is a beast, But he is weakness is pretty much the sucking one. And due to Piccolo´s intelligence what he absorbed with Gotenks, He will figure it out soon.



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+ Pyrus Sep 24 2010, 06:36 AM Post #20
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Sep 24 2010, 06:04 AM
Since when is Japanese in an American spell check? o.0

The one hit KO thing is stupid.
Nothing can break the fusion except the time.
Wait, I'm confused. I'm not using a spell check. Lol. I'm using Chrome, which has a built-in spell check, I guess, but I'm ignoring it because, yeah, it doesn't have that Japanese stuff in it. :lol:

What specifically says that though? We've never seen anybody supremely stronger than a fused being fight that fused being, so who's to say it couldn't actually happen?
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Fulgore Sep 24 2010, 09:41 AM Post #21
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 I'm actually going to put Janemba over Hildegarn.

Janemba got to the point he just mercilessly shut down Goku

Hildegarn got destroyed by Goku.

His down fall was being taunted? Really.

Janemba took a Fusion to beat. Janemba = strongest Movie villain
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+ Pyrus Sep 24 2010, 10:56 AM Post #22
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 No, his downfall was being open when he attacks. The "taunting" crap is dub only.
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+ Ryebrid Sep 24 2010, 10:58 AM Post #23
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 But why would they make a weaker villain for the next movie? That doesnt really add up?
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Nusu Sep 24 2010, 11:39 AM Post #24
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

The same thing why would they make, Bojack after Broly even though Broly is stronger ^^? Point is Janemba got beat by a Fusion because it was the only way to free yamma in time, And not to forget Janemba can use Benkai Tele, This makes him harder to hit for the Dragon Fist.
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+ Ryebrid Sep 24 2010, 12:27 PM Post #25
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 Hmm i geuss but for the very last Dragon Ball Z movie wouldnt you make it the most powerful and strongest villain yet?
I would
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Fulgore Sep 24 2010, 01:11 PM Post #26
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The Darkness Returns

 Bio Broly or LSSj Broly?

Errr. Delete this, guess my broswer sent this through anyway
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Fulgore Sep 24 2010, 01:14 PM Post #27
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Sep 24 2010, 10:56 AM
No, his downfall was being open when he attacks. The "taunting" crap is dub only.
Dub Crap? Gohan tells Goku what his weakness, Goku acknowledges it. He proceeds to mock Hildegarn.. I haven't watched a Dubbed movie since Cooler's Revenge.

Hildegarn is INFURIATED by this, and proceeds to try and hit goku for it. Watch it again in japanese. Matter of fact, hold on. I'll find it for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTPhktFPg70&feature=related

Also, if you forgot Hildegarn was also almost impervious to attacks unless he was being taunted.. He was no different than Janemba in this aspect except Hildegarns teleportation was pretty much immediate
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Nusu Sep 24 2010, 03:27 PM Post #28
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

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Sep 24 2010, 12:27 PM
Hmm i geuss but for the very last Dragon Ball Z movie wouldnt you make it the most powerful and strongest villain yet?
I would
From a movie perspective Hirdugarn is the strongest non cannon Z Character, From a cannon view he isn´t.
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Emperor Cold Sep 24 2010, 09:22 PM Post #29
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Sep 24 2010, 06:36 AM
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Sep 24 2010, 06:04 AM
Since when is Japanese in an American spell check? o.0

The one hit KO thing is stupid.
Nothing can break the fusion except the time.
Wait, I'm confused. I'm not using a spell check. Lol. I'm using Chrome, which has a built-in spell check, I guess, but I'm ignoring it because, yeah, it doesn't have that Japanese stuff in it. :lol:

What specifically says that though? We've never seen anybody supremely stronger than a fused being fight that fused being, so who's to say it couldn't actually happen?
What about Veku vs Janemba? Janemba was pounding the crap out of him but he still had to wait 30 minutes to separate, and I think the power gap between those two was larger than the power gap between Hirudegarn and Gotenks.

The reason everyone was having so much trouble with Hirudegarn was the fact that no one could touch him, he kept turning into smoke and then blindsiding them. He didn't so much overpower them as out-maneuver them, then use his size as leverage to deal exceptionally damaging blows to their unguarded areas. Trunks cutting off his tail was a big help, I think that enraged him more than the taunting and made his attacks lose focus. Then Goku's super dragon fist connected at the exact moment he threw a punch, since he couldn't smoke-teleport while attacking. He was impervious to attacks except while he was attacking: THAT was his weakness.

Hirudegarn probably has more raw power than Janemba, but Janemba was much more unpredictable, which is why ssj3 Goku couldn'tve defeated him like he defeated Hirudegarn. I think his strength is probably equal to Bootenks, maybe a tiny bit stronger.
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lunar2 Sep 25 2010, 05:29 AM Post #30
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 no where does it state that time is the only end to a fusion. in z the kids just never learned, and in gt it was energy and before any says anything about gt, that idea came from z when goku had to leave earth early because he used too much energy. so if it is energy loss that ends a fusion then it makes perfect sense for them to defuse when ko'ed and veku didnt defuse because he was never hit.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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