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| Fourth Doctor Who | Sep 24 2010, 08:29 PM Post #46 |
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I put him almost strong as Fat Buu (Relaxed) until Gotenks made him mad and that wasn't a good idea. Base Gotenks in my opinion is somwhere in Majin Vegeta/SSJ2 Goku range or might be just little stong like 5%. |
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Sep 24 2010, 09:55 PM Post #47 |
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Krillen says he might have a chance. This implies him to be much stronger than Majin Vegeta/SSJ2 Goku level. DBZ Hybrid... Piccolo is unsure if SSj3 Goku can beat Fat Boo. SSJ Gotenks arrival is not warranted by a comment which would make you think he is much different then SSJ3 Goku. Piccolo is unsure if SSJ Gotenks could beat Fat Boo. So Piccolo logically would not think that either might have a chance to beat Super. Base Gotenks Post in Piccolo's mind might have a chance against Super Buu. Which would place him well above those two. Piccolo only said might have a chance. His statements are tied with the powers he feels from SSJ3 Goku and SSJ Gotenks. He cannot read Boo well , but it doesn't throw away what he implies. Edited by p123, Sep 24 2010, 10:00 PM.
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| ueharakk | Sep 25 2010, 08:27 PM Post #48 |
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IDK about base gotenks being ssj2 Vegeta/Goku level. 1. Yes it would explain his ability to escape, but if he was around that level and the ssj is a 50x multiplier, then even without ROSAT, he would have been overkill for fat buu with just his supersaiyan form. SSJ3 Goku could have killed fat buu, and I don't think he is near 50x stronger than majin vegeta. Conclusion: I base gotenks a little above ssj adult gohan, probably around dabura's level. Fat buu couldn't sense ki until he became super buu which could have made it easier for gotenks to escape. |
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Sep 26 2010, 01:19 AM Post #49 |
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Gotenks doesn't use a 50x multiplier. If Gotenks was 50x weaker he would have never survived against Buu. Multipliers don't determine anything. The story and the statements in the story determine the multipliers. SSJ3 Goku is 4 times stronger than SSJ2 Goku. Base Gotenks is using somewhere around a 2x multiplier for SSJ. |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 26 2010, 01:22 AM Post #50 |
 
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Yeah, I really don't even care where Base Gotenks is. He could be SSj Vegetto level for all I care. He's a gag character and mostly everything about him isn't too serious. |
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Sep 26 2010, 01:35 AM Post #51 |
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Lol... Ok that's one way to look at it... Fusion SSJ transformations simply isn't anywhere near 50x... No reason to say hey he's a gag character he doesn't count... Gotenks should work like how Vegetto, Gogeta, and Gokan would work... So yes, he is important... He likely determines the difference between Base/SSJ Vegetto which is a good issue. Also he determines how much stronger Super Buu is than Kid Buu and SSJ3 Goku... Gotenks is uber important and the only key to the upper echelon of fighters... Giving up is just not good Kamikaze your better than that. |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 26 2010, 01:40 AM Post #52 |
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I'm not giving up. But I don't care where Gotenks is. I can figure things out without him really. He's a gag character and I'm not saying he's unimportant because of that, but I'm saying he's not to be taken 100% seriously, especially in the Boo saga. |
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Sep 26 2010, 01:46 AM Post #53 |
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All characters should be taken seriously dude... If you would like to have a legit power level list you have to take Gotenks seriously... I told you in the other post Gotenks determines all fusion and higher level Buu forms... You might as well not do the Buu Saga at all then. |
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| ueharakk | Sep 26 2010, 01:20 PM Post #54 |
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well the only "statement" about a multiplier would be the goku going ssj against frieza who is roughly 40x stronger than base goku, and goku wasn't going all out once he turned ssj. You have no proof that ssj gotenks is a 2x multiplier. And where did you get ssj3 goku is 4x stronger than ssj2? I agree with you on this point though, just wondering where you are pulling these numbers from? Gotenks could have survived against buu. Remeber buu cannot sense ki. |
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| + Ryebrid | Sep 26 2010, 01:23 PM Post #55 |
 
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The numbers are from nowhere completely fan made and self interpreted. The only official multiplier we have is SSJ which is 50 x base, thats it. |
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| ueharakk | Sep 26 2010, 09:44 PM Post #56 |
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agreed |
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Sep 27 2010, 09:58 PM Post #57 |
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50x multiplier is actually never stated in the manga... So it's not official... AT laters says in an interview that SSJ is a 50x multiplier, SSJ2 is a 2x multiplier and SSJ3 is a 4x multiplier off of SSJ2. Now these aren't directly stated in the manga so they aren't canon. But generally we try to keep as true to these as this is all we have and is directly out of the authors mouth.... But AT later admits he forgot alot to do with the manga etc etc so take it for what it's worth... If SSJ3 is a 4x multiplier Base Gotenks simply has to be using somewhere around a 2X multiplier... If..... SSJ3 Goku = 100 And SSJ2 Majin Vegeta/Goku = 25 Then Base Gotenks Pre has to follow somewhere in there. I would think it makes sense for him to be the same amount weaker than SSJ3 Goku as he is stronger than SSJ2 Majin Vegeta... He is implied to be drastically different than both... So Gotenks would definitley be around the 40-60 range for sure... So like I said, he is somewhere around a 2x multiplier... Gotenks using a 50x multiplier is laughable.. |
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| + Ryebrid | Sep 28 2010, 12:51 PM Post #58 |
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Just goes to show how strong fusion is. Nothing says SSJ multipliers change when they fuse- that is laughable. A Super Saiyan Transformation stays the same regardless, it just cant magically change. And you have no proof at all that AT said that. |
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Sep 28 2010, 09:13 PM Post #59 |
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It's widely recognized. The SEG numbers... IMO MSSJ forces the SSJ multiplier to change but we are neither here nor there... SSJ Gotenks = SSJ3 Goku Base Gotenks is somewhere around half of that. While SSj2 Goku is 4x weaker... I dont get what you dont get man? Are you just argueing out of spite now? |
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| + Ryebrid | Sep 29 2010, 01:06 AM Post #60 |
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MSSJ would increase the multiplier not decrease it otherwise that would make MSSJ weaker than SSJ and that isnt right. I dont see how or why Gotenks only gets a 2 x increase from turning Super Saiyan. That only makes him twice as strong as his base. Kaioken can do better increases in power than that- just a comparison. And im fine just dont take everything to heart dude its discussion. |
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