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| + Pyrus | Sep 21 2010, 10:26 PM Post #31 |
 
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What I'm wondering is why Gotenks gets lower multipliers. Just to fit into your list? And in case you didn't know, Daiz says Gotenks has SSj2. |
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| + Ryebrid | Sep 22 2010, 07:52 AM Post #32 |
 
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Considering that Super Buu is miles ahead of Fat Buu and SSJ3 Goku was stronger than Fat Buu by a little(whatever your opinion) then no. Your multipliers dont make sense. |
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Sep 22 2010, 11:40 PM Post #33 |
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DBZ what are you referring too.... Yes and No Kamikaze. SSJ3 Goku = 4x SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta Right? AT says SSJ3 is a 4 times boost. It works fine. So I keep it. For Base Gotenks to be a good deal stronger than Majin Vegeta and a good deal weaker than SSJ3 Goku then Gotenks Base Pre likely has to be around 2. Then I thought long and hard what to do?Just keep using a 2x multiplier? Why? It seems so, amaetuerish you know? Just using boost for whatever reason. Then I looked at my multipliers for unfused saiyans. And then seeing how Base Gotenks is likely around 3 why not just make fused get half transformation bonuses. I never got the impression that the fusion boost were on par with the unfused boosts. So I just played around with it and it really fits perfectly. It's also a matter of taste. It's either Base-SSJ is 2x and you just use 2x for every other transformation for no apparent reason or you try to get a sound logical reasoning behind your theories. This is all dependant on if you believe Basex5 = MSSJ as well. |
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Sep 22 2010, 11:42 PM Post #34 |
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Oh and if DBZ was reffering to me... Super Buu 750,000,000,000 ( Miles ahead ) SSJGotenksPRe 85,000,000,000 SSJ3 Goku 80,000,000,000 Fat Boo 60,000,000,000 Evil Boo 35,000,000,000 BaseGotenksPre 34,000,000,000 GoodBuu 25,000,000,000 SSJ2Goku 20,000,000,000 I think if you look over the manga Kamikaze with these thoughts and numbers in mind you might take a liking to them. Try em out. |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 22 2010, 11:44 PM Post #35 |
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I don't think FPSSj is a 5x boost though, so what do I do then? =/ And I don't think fusions would get any lower multipliers than their fusees. So we're on different pages. |
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Sep 23 2010, 02:53 AM Post #36 |
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So could you explain the spacing between SSJ3 Goku , Base Gotenks, and SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta to me... This issue took me a long time to solve. Partly the reason why the Buu saga is so difficult is if you don't see the multiplier being alot lower nothing will ever fit factually. It just wouldn't make any sense. But I understand how critical this issue is and fought long and hard against it. But in the end nothing will match up without realizing this. My advice is to just try out the logic. Try using it and understanding it before discarding it or dismissing it. I would like to see your spacing between.. Base Gotenks Post,SSJGotenks,SSJ3Goku,Base GotenksPre,SS2Goku/Majin Vegeta And Also what your base - SSJ multiplier is for fusions and non fusions. |
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| + Ryebrid | Sep 23 2010, 05:45 AM Post #37 |
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Those are just bogus numbers. Completely fan made. And Gotenks base after RoSaT is said to be stronger than SSJ3 Goku. So no way off. I dont see the logic in your reasoning |
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| Nusu | Sep 23 2010, 06:35 AM Post #38 |
Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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True, So.. Super Buu must´ve been way more powerful then that. |
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| Ussj Future Trunks | Sep 23 2010, 08:52 AM Post #39 |
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definitely between adult gohan and majin vegeta imo. majin vegeta was doing really well at the start of their fight but gotenks never had a chance vs fat buu. even dabura put up a better fight.
Edited by Ussj Future Trunks, Sep 23 2010, 08:53 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Sep 23 2010, 11:29 AM Post #40 |
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Alright, I'll post some numbers after I get back from class then. I'm not dismissing what you think, I'm just saying I think differently. |
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Sep 23 2010, 11:16 PM Post #41 |
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Base Gotenks is implied to be stronger than Majin Vegeta. Gotenks being able to even survive against Fat Buu coupled with krillen saying that he might have a chance imply this. DBZ I am talking about Base Gotenks Pre. Please keep your attitude in check. If your not helping your hurting. Try not to be so childish on the internet we are all friends trying to make sense of this. Don't be counterproductive. Kamikaze just think of this. Base Gotenks is weaker than SSj3 Goku and stronger than Majin Vegeta who equals SSj2 Goku. SSJ3 is a 4x boost. SSJ Gotenks is implied to be on par or a little greater than SSJ3 Goku. What do you think the boost for Base-SSJ is for Gotenks Pre Rosat with that logic applied? |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 24 2010, 01:17 AM Post #42 |
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Well, Goku told Boo that a fighter stronger than him would come in 2 days. He was most likely factoring in that the boys could use SSj, so he'd be talking about SSj Gotenks, not Base. He wouldn't be factoring in SSj3 as he was surprised the boys' fusion could do that, so that's out of the picture. So we know SSj Gotenks > Fat Boo, and we later find out that SSj3 Goku could've beaten Fat Boo as well, so we're here with SSj Gotenks = SSj3 Goku > Fat Boo. And even though Goku said Boo would face a stronger fighter, he later admitted it was a "gamble", meaning he wasn't sure if it would succeed or not. If he was so sure, he wouldn't have been counting on Gohan and his Zeta Sword training as well since he'd already know the boys could take care of the threat. This is just preliminary info, I'll have to get more to completely debate your points. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 24 2010, 01:18 AM.
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Sep 24 2010, 02:11 AM Post #43 |
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Agreed on all points. Goku implies SSJ Gotenks to be stronger. Piccolo confirms that SSJ Gotenks is on par with SSJ3 Goku but since there is no note of WOW he surpass GOKU ZOMG they should be seen as rivals. So only a small gap could exist. It's easier for a debate like this to just look at them as equals. I already noted Base Gotenks feats. So we have.... SSJ Gotenks=SSJ3Goku>Fat Boo>BaseGotenks> SSJ2 Goku Right? |
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| + Ryebrid | Sep 24 2010, 06:00 AM Post #44 |
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Um dude wtf is up with the attitude check thing you said? And not being childish? That makes no sense, why even say that? We're discussing not arguing so dont assume things dude. Yeah SSJ Gotenks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku thats obvious and common knowledge. Pre- Base Gotenks would be put around Majin Vegeta/ Goku SSJ2. That is obvious. What isnt obvious is what Base Gotenks Post- RoSaT is. To put it into perspective again. Base Gotenks is a bit weaker than Majin Buu. SSJ Gotenks can beat Majin Buu. Base Gotenks is nothing to Super Buu. SSJ Gotenks gets owned by Super Buu easily. SSJ3 Gotenks is on par with Super Buu. With the training of the RoSaT we can gather that Base Gotenks could beat Majin Buu- whatever your view. But is he stronger than Goku SSJ3? SSJ Gotenks post RoSaT is a lot stronger than SSJ3 Goku. But is..... Base Gotenks post RoSaT> SSJ3 Goku I think its highly possible. Especially the way he handled Super Buu's hits on him. He seemed fine after them eventually. Nothing strong says that he would be weaker than SSJ3 Goku. Edited by Ryebrid, Sep 24 2010, 06:02 AM.
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| Nusu | Sep 24 2010, 06:26 AM Post #45 |
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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At least equal.. he can´t be weaker, And it actually dosen´t matter this was before he enter´d the RoSat after it he overcame him with his base form. |
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