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How strong was base Gotenks?
Topic Started: Sep 17 2010, 01:33 PM (3,615 Views)
+ Pyrus Sep 19 2010, 08:51 PM Post #16
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 If you take all the statements literally, then yeah, Base Gotenks [post-RoSaT] would somehow end up stronger than SSj3 Goku of Piccolo's knowledge. If you don't, then he's nowhere near that level.
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p123 Sep 19 2010, 11:36 PM Post #17
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Yes, I see no need for me to make up wild assumptions when I don't have to. Base Gotenks Post is implied to be stronger than SSJ Gotenks by a good margin.
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SSVegito Sep 19 2010, 11:44 PM Post #18
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p123
Sep 19 2010, 11:36 PM
Yes, I see no need for me to make up wild assumptions when I don't have to. Base Gotenks Post is implied to be stronger than SSJ Gotenks by a good margin.
Well duh. Didnt you see how Base Gotenks took it super buu in his base form why SSJ and SSJ3 Gotenks completely got destroyed by him? :p
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+ Pyrus Sep 20 2010, 12:39 AM Post #19
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p123
Sep 19 2010, 11:36 PM
Yes, I see no need for me to make up wild assumptions when I don't have to. Base Gotenks Post is implied to be stronger than SSJ Gotenks by a good margin.
Yes, but then Piccolo immediately facepalms after making that comment.
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p123 Sep 20 2010, 12:45 AM Post #20
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That is because he cannot read Buu well. Has nothing to do with him reading SSJ3 Goku/Majin Vegeta/SSJ Gotenks. His statements have to be based off of previous fighters.

He is unsure if SSJ3 Goku/SSJ Gotenks can beat Fat Buu. He thinks base Gotenks has a chance against Super
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+ Pyrus Sep 20 2010, 01:42 AM Post #21
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p123
Sep 20 2010, 12:45 AM
That is because he cannot read Buu well. Has nothing to do with him reading SSJ3 Goku/Majin Vegeta/SSJ Gotenks. His statements have to be based off of previous fighters.

He is unsure if SSJ3 Goku/SSJ Gotenks can beat Fat Buu. He thinks base Gotenks has a chance against Super
It has everything to do with him reading Gotenks' power. After he initially makes that comment, he facepalms and says "perhaps this is hopeless". Either way, he still didn't do any good against Boo until he went SSj3.
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+ Ryebrid Sep 20 2010, 05:33 AM Post #22
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 Its hard to believe how much stronger Super Buu is compared to Majin Buu.
To put it in perspective Gotenks SSJ could beat Majin Buu. Post RoSaT he could beat him in base.
Whereas with Super Buu he has to go all the way to SSJ3 only to be equal with him.

Thats insane. A base Gotenks can beat Majin Buu(Fat Buu) but it takes a SSJ3 Gotenks to beat Super Buu.
With only a 50 x increase to SSJ that ***** is still insane but add onto that another two lvls/ two mutipliers.... o.0
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+ Pyrus Sep 20 2010, 05:38 AM Post #23
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 That's if you take each statement to heart. I don't. I think Piccolo's self-retcon kind of fails the notion that Base Gotenks could take on Fat Boo. Gotenks grew enormously, but not 50x stronger in one week.

If you take the statements to heart, Super Boo is 400x stronger than Fat Boo (Base x 50 x 2 x 400), or 200x (Base x 50 x 400). But that's just using the unofficial numbers.
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+ Ryebrid Sep 20 2010, 06:08 AM Post #24
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 Im talkin about Gotenks going SSJ with the 50 x base thing. No matter what the statements say it still stands that base Gotenks post RoSaT could destroy Majin Buu.
While an SSJ3 Gotenks is on par with Super Buu.

Thats a massive increase for both sides.
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+ Pyrus Sep 20 2010, 06:09 AM Post #25
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 I know. Using the "official" multipliers, it would make Super Boo at least 200x stronger than Fat Boo.
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Nusu Sep 20 2010, 06:17 AM Post #26
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

Well, Gotenks SSJ 3 was able to put up a fight, But not able to beat him, I just find it remarkable now how strong Super Buu really was. Still it bugs me when Gotenks is SSJ 3 shouldn´t he be able to destroy Super Buu? Even with the boost he got from the HBTC? If i red that right, It is like this: Gotenks Base > Pre-Rosat SSJ Gotenks? SSJ Gotenks was on SSJ 3 Goku´s level, This means he must have been much much stronger then Super Buu at least equal as SSJ 3 Past-Rosat.
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+ Ryebrid Sep 20 2010, 06:31 AM Post #27
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 Yeah its amazing how strong Super Buu is when you think about it. It seems he became to strong for my liking.
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+ Pyrus Sep 20 2010, 06:44 AM Post #28
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 I don't trust Base Gotenks becoming so strong he dwarfs his former SSj self... That's insanely absurd, even for DBZ standards. Nobody gets that big of an increase in a week. If you go by what the Daiz says, Gotenks doesn't become stronger than even SSj2 Majin Vegeta until after the RoSaT, haha.
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Nusu Sep 20 2010, 10:15 AM Post #29
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

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Sep 20 2010, 06:44 AM
I don't trust Base Gotenks becoming so strong he dwarfs his former SSj self... That's insanely absurd, even for DBZ standards. Nobody gets that big of an increase in a week. If you go by what the Daiz says, Gotenks doesn't become stronger than even SSj2 Majin Vegeta until after the RoSaT, haha.
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p123 Sep 21 2010, 09:10 PM Post #30
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Hey everyone wants to be factual but no one wants to make Goku look like such a wuss. Try out my solution it's pretty nice.

For an MSSJ = Basex5

If you have a 50x multiplier than Goku is literally nothing.


Then I look at the spacing between Majin Vegeta, Base Gotenks Pre, and SSJ3 Goku.

I take a guess and estimate it's around two.

Then I look at my normal unfused Multipliers. It's 5x Base = MSSJ.

Hmm,

Let's try cutting that in half.

Not too shabby. Seems to keep in line with the manga.


Gotenks not having SSJ2 bothers me, so I think he has it.


SO then I use my multipliers and cut them in half for fusion. Make up a nice theory about how two people coming together causes an enormous increase in base but comes at a price that the transformations are cut in half.


For Fusions

SSJ = Base x2.5
SSJ2 = SSJ x 1.5
SSJ3 = SSJ2 x 2


Cut my multipliers in half and wala SSJ3 Gotenks is only about 10x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

Not half bad.
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