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Piccolo Stronger than Goku and Vegeta?; about piccolo vs goku n vegeta
Topic Started: Sep 4 2010, 07:33 PM (10,449 Views)
Kingpin Sep 11 2010, 03:58 AM Post #31
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Sep 11 2010, 02:18 AM
Technically, the last scouter reading is when Trunks arrives, before he slices up Freeza's henchmen. But yeah. >_>
that's what I was saying.
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Nusu Sep 11 2010, 06:48 AM Post #32
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

Power Level´s are either to high or to low stated by fans. And this has nothing to do with my disliking in number´s or anything else, I dislike it. If you like it then there is no freaking problem.

Let´s go back to topic shall we? (Base) Goku (Due to Other World Training) > Piccolo > Vegeta > Gohan > Trunks & Goten. (SSJ) Goku > Vegeta > Gohan > Piccolo > Trunks & Goten. Can we all agree with this or do i need to write a big text xD.
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Kingpin Sep 11 2010, 02:47 PM Post #33
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 for base forms I think u have goku a little too much credit.

piccolo base(kami) is stronger than base forms of the saiyans.
don't forget that namekans are a superior race than the saiyans..

but I agree with you on the last paragraph ... I especially like that you put goten and trunks ssj forms below piccolo base.
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Y2J Sep 11 2010, 03:13 PM Post #34
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 I always wondered how strong Goku's base form was in the Buu saga. We don't really see him fight in it much.
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p123 Sep 11 2010, 03:26 PM Post #35
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Base Goku > Base Kid Gohan > Base Vegeta > Base Teen Gohan > Piccolo


Gohan invited Piccolo to Budokai and says he wants to fight in Base. The Dabura debacle which can be theoriezed against but there is heavy intent placed here.


Goku and Gohan surpassed Piccolo in Base by the Cell Games.
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Kingpin Sep 11 2010, 03:33 PM Post #36
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Sep 11 2010, 03:26 PM
Base Goku > Base Kid Gohan > Base Vegeta > Base Teen Gohan > Piccolo


Gohan invited Piccolo to Budokai and says he wants to fight in Base. The Dabura debacle which can be theoriezed against but there is heavy intent placed here.


Goku and Gohan surpassed Piccolo in Base by the Cell Games.
did you forget piccolo trained aswell and that piccolo surpassed ssj. forms when he fused with kami?!

and please can't give kid gohan that much credit, stronger than vegeta base? that's preposterous !
Edited by Kingpin, Sep 11 2010, 03:35 PM.
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Nusu Sep 11 2010, 04:57 PM Post #37
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

Chief
Sep 11 2010, 02:47 PM
for base forms I think u have goku a little too much credit.

piccolo base(kami) is stronger than base forms of the saiyans.
don't forget that namekans are a superior race than the saiyans..

but I agree with you on the last paragraph ... I especially like that you put goten and trunks ssj forms below piccolo base.
Goku even overcame Vegeta´s in Power, Who trained probably much harder then Goku. I didn´t said they are away in such a big gap. Goku = 10, Piccolo = 7 for example.

Saiyan´s are alway´s the superior fighters, Piccolo had much power boosts. Fusion w. Nail and Fusion w. Kami. Goku also Master Roshi, Popo, Kami, King Kai. Piccolo is the best base fighter, But Goku still overcame him due to the Other World Training.


Piccolo is much stronger then 18 at the time. Trunks and Goten as SSJ 1 can´t even beat her yet.


Also Piccolo isn´t stronger then the SSJ´s forms anymore. He is alot weaker then Vegeta, Goku, Gohan when they are SSJ´s. Piccolo is stronger in base then them no doubt, Until Goku comes back from the Other World, But there isn´t a big gap between them.
Edited by Nusu, Sep 11 2010, 04:59 PM.
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p123 Sep 11 2010, 05:21 PM Post #38
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Vegeta is not as strong as Kid Gohan. Vegeta implies this several times in the Buu arc Pre Majin of course. But, he is pretty damn close to Kid Gohan. Just not exactly there yet.



Base Teen Gohan > Piccolo


1) Gohan wants to win the tournament
2) He invites Piccolo
3) He is going to fight in Base.

Not really too difficult to get this.


Base/SSJ/SSJ2 all correlate. They should have all the same multipliers. Anything else would be preposterous.


So if Base Teen Gohan > Piccolo then of course Base Kid Gohan > Base Teen Gohan

Goku didn't improve that much in Otherworld. Base Goku is shown to be wielding the sword better than Base Teen Gohan. Although it's not as if he is wielding it with complete ease. Also Goku is only said to be stronger than Kid Gohan but not really implied to be all that much.


Base Goku > Kid Gohan > Teen Gohan


Regardless of form this is the chart.
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Y2J Sep 11 2010, 05:42 PM Post #39
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Sep 11 2010, 03:26 PM
Base Goku > Base Kid Gohan > Base Vegeta > Base Teen Gohan > Piccolo

Goku and Gohan surpassed Piccolo in Base by the Cell Games.
How can you say Goku and Gohan surpassed Piccol in Base by the Cell Games when we never even see Goku or Gohan fight in their base forms during this time period(except for the Broly & Bojack movies and the filler fight with Pikkon). During the Cell Games we only see Gohan and Goku fight in their MSSJ forms plus Gohan's SS2 form, but nothing suggest Goku or Gohan in their base forms are stronger than Piccolo post fusing with Kami.
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p123 Sep 11 2010, 05:46 PM Post #40
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Common sense. You can figure it out. It will be easier to let it sink in if you figure it out on your own. One hint. Kid/Teen Gohan.
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Y2J Sep 11 2010, 06:00 PM Post #41
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 I think you're underestimating the massive power level difference going from base to Super Saiyan makes.
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Kingpin Sep 11 2010, 07:10 PM Post #42
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 I'm with Y2J.
I'm trying to imagin gohan fighting cell in base form... and guys its not looking good, its basically a slaughter.

if it's hard for you guys to understand the gap between base forms and ssj... go back and rewatch little trunks training with vegeta.
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p123 Sep 11 2010, 07:15 PM Post #43
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A 5x boost is an enromous boost.


Base Teen Gohan > Piccolo

Base Teen gohan <=> Base Goku Cell

Base Kid Gohan > Base Goku Cell <=> Base Teen Gohan > Piccolo


Base Goku Buu > Base Kid Gohan
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+ Pyrus Sep 11 2010, 08:14 PM Post #44
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 Nusu, you're thinking of filler. In the manga we never see SSj Kid Trunks and SSj Goten fight Cyborg #18. After she splits them up, they see Videl flying off and they leave with her.
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Nusu Sep 12 2010, 07:17 AM Post #45
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

p123
Sep 11 2010, 05:21 PM
Vegeta is not as strong as Kid Gohan. Vegeta implies this several times in the Buu arc Pre Majin of course. But, he is pretty damn close to Kid Gohan. Just not exactly there yet.



Base Teen Gohan > Piccolo


1) Gohan wants to win the tournament
2) He invites Piccolo
3) He is going to fight in Base.

Not really too difficult to get this.


Base/SSJ/SSJ2 all correlate. They should have all the same multipliers. Anything else would be preposterous.


So if Base Teen Gohan > Piccolo then of course Base Kid Gohan > Base Teen Gohan

Goku didn't improve that much in Otherworld. Base Goku is shown to be wielding the sword better than Base Teen Gohan. Although it's not as if he is wielding it with complete ease. Also Goku is only said to be stronger than Kid Gohan but not really implied to be all that much.


Base Goku > Kid Gohan > Teen Gohan
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Regardless of form this is the chart.



Vegeta was equal if not stronger in Base then Chibi Gohan, Tell me the panel please.


Your point? Yes, He invited him he wanted him to fight him in regular base form, He could beat him easily in Base.


Base dosen´t have any multipliers.


He did, Goku achieved SSJ 3 there, Got stronger then Vegeta in power, That even Vegeta needed a power boost to become equal with him.

Agree´d.

Overall i can´t agree with you. I agree with hybrid though, Chibi Gohan would´ve get murder´d by the Cell Jr. in base, Piccolo fought them in base, And let alone he putted up a good fight against them. Also Piccolo was in the HBTC and after he came out Goku imply´ed that he got alot stronger not enough to fight Perfect Cell.
Edited by Nusu, Sep 12 2010, 07:26 AM.
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