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Sep 8 2010, 07:36 PM Post #16 |
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Piccolo doesn't get nearly as much credit as he deserves. But he is still nothing to the saiyans at the end of the day. Here are my Piccolo calculations. Arrving Namek 300,000 Nail Fusion 1,500,000 MechaSaga 2,500,000 AndriodsSaga 210,000,000 Kami Fusion 420,000,000 Rosat Cell Games 840,000,000 Buu 840,000,000 Piccolo is a little stronger than 2nd Suppression Freeza during the Freeza Arc. He is almost even with Vegeta by the Mecha Freeza Saga. Andriods Saga he blows past base saiyans and is stronger than Yardrat Goku. Kami Fusion he is equal to 17. Rosat he doubles his power and is comparable to SSJ Trunks/Vegeta Rosat 1 and Initial Semi Cell. He reaches his limit by the Cell Games. |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 8 2010, 09:44 PM Post #17 |
 
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Freeza Fight Piccolo [unweighted] - 1,500,000 Vegeta [post-3rd Zenkai] - 2,525,000 Goku - 3,000,000 Gohan - 250,000 Trunks Mini-Saga Piccolo [unweighted, not seen]: 2,875,000 Vegeta - 2,950,000 Future Trunks - 4,000,000 Goku - 4,250,000 Gohan - 250,000 Cyborg Fights Piccolo [unweighted] - 293,750,000 Vegeta - 10,500,000 Goku [healthy] - 10,000,000 Future Trunks - 8,500,000 Gohan - 6,500,000 Initial Cell Fights Piccolo [fused with Kami] - 520,000,000 Vegeta [post-1st RoSaT] - 30,000,000 Future Trunks [post-1st RoSaT] - 28,850,000 Goku - 10,000,000 Gohan - 6,500,000 Cell Games Piccolo [post-RoSaT] - 3,125,000,000 Gohan [post-RoSaT] - 1,500,000,000 Goku [post-RoSaT] - 1,000,000,000 Vegeta [post-2nd RoSaT] - 500,000,000 Future Trunks [post-2nd RoSaT] - 485,000,000 Boo Arc Piccolo [unweighted, not seen] - 3,750,000,000 Goku - 3,800,000,000 Vegeta - 3,000,000,000 Gohan - 1,200,000,000 ---------------------- So yeah. He's trash to Goku and Vegeta during the Freeza fight, but far above Gohan. Then he's very close to Vegeta, far behind Goku and Future Trunks, and far above Gohan. Then he's far, far, far, far above any of them. Then he's still far ahead of them. Then he's still damn far ahead of them. Then Goku surpasses him by a bit, Vegeta closes in, and Gohan is a piece of *****. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 8 2010, 09:45 PM.
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Sep 9 2010, 04:06 AM Post #18 |
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KamiKaze that's exactly where I have Piccolo against Freeza as well. Future Trunks is way too strong. Future Trunks is comparable to Goku on Namek during the Mini Saga. Goku was the most recent highest power. Power Ups are always noted. No one notes on Trunks strength. Other than Gohan who confuses Trunks for Goku for a second and then corrects his statement. This means Trunks ~ Goku No getting around that. You are using a 50x multiplier? Because your SSJ Andriods are way too strong . In comparison to Piccolo at least. Piccolo is weaker than Andriod Arc SSjs but I mean not that much. Piccolo fusing with Kami is likely a 2x boost for Piccolo. Piccolo is a half and Kami is another half. Two halves coming together make a whole. Meaning Piccolo doubles his power. Just a theory but I think it's good and most accept it. This includes Initial Piccolo Namek. The one Nail says that if he fused back with Kami he would probably beat Freeza who he knows his strength is 530k. So I think Piccolo is around 300k there. How did he get so strong in 6 days? It's called a plot device my friend as you well know. Freeza Saga people get retarted power ups for illogical reasons. Question yourself. Piccolo refuses to fight people if he is super weaker than them. That is his style. Why the hell would he waste two wishes on himself to go to Namek to be completely useless. You could be right about Post Rosat 1 Trunks/Vegeta base. However I see you have the base multiplier changing for Rosat 2. I think it makes more sense for it to change for ROsat 1 as well then. I think the new SSJ transformations force Base to get uber strong to support the oncoming forms. FPSSJ has the strongest Base but I believe a trained SSJ who can access USSJ should have a stronger base than a SSJ who is new to the form. You agree that well trained and fully trained SSJs have stronger bases so why not partially trained ( Rosat 1 Vegeta/Trunks ) Also..... Base Goku / Base Vegeta / Base Gohan > Piccolo This is implied several times. Gohan wants to fight the Budokai in Base. He tells Piccolo to fight in the Budokai. Why would Gohan tell Piccolo to fight in the Budokai and then tell Vegeta to fight in Base if Gohan cannot beat Piccolo in Base? That doesn't make sense now does it. Vegeta also says that he will win the tournament in base anyway. Which means Vegeta as well which you have is stronger than Piccolo. Base Kid Gohan > Base Teen Gohan Stated fact well at least his SSJ/SSJ2 forms were so logically of course his base was as well. So guess what happens here. Base Gohan Cell Games > Base Goku Cell Games > Piccolo Piccolo just isn't that strong. I didn't think so either but it's true. Buu arc says it is it is the last chapter so it's right. Also more proof. Goku and Gohan handling the Z sword. Goku handles it a bit better proving Goku > Gohan in base but it's not like he is way stronger. Goku's progression through the 7 years was minimal. Goku > Kid Gohan >Vegeta > Teen Gohan > Piccolo This is all regarding base. And all forms correlate so this chart should carry through for all SSj forms as well. You seem to be one of the more intelligent guys here. I advise you to read on my list check out some of my theories and just get a feel for my numbers. I am very thorough. You will learn a lot just ask me any questions any time. |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 9 2010, 04:30 AM Post #19 |
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Makes the most sense to me.
Yeah, but why would Trunks not train or gain any power? Sure, he went back to his time and was most likely on the run and *****, but he still could have had some time to train. I was just trying to keep him somewhere near the other Saiyans, so he didn't turn out weaker than Piccolo. Lol.
No. Super Saiyan: - The Future: 50x Base (Future Gohan, Future Trunks) - Arrival of Trunks: 50x Base (Goku, Future Trunks) - Battle with the Androids: 40x Base (Goku, Vegeta, Future Trunks) - Vegeta & Trunks vs. Cell: 30x Base (Vegeta, Future Trunks) - The Cell Games: 10x Base (Vegeta, Future Trunks)
True, which is why I used the decreasing multiplier. I just recently made a list using a consistent 50x multiplier and the Base Saiyans are damn weak in that one.
I just used whatever fit the numbers honestly. Same with Nail. On Namek, Piccolo without his weights pre-assimilation was around 60,000, on my list.
I don't doubt that. I just kept him lowish, I guess.
Yeah, I have their SSj multipliers decreasing with each trip.
It doesn't make sense, and I usually do have all the Base Saiyans above Piccolo. It was just different on that list.
Yeah, but when looking back at the Cell Games, Piccolo does better than a tired FPSSj Goku. I don't think Goku would remain in his FPSSj form if he was weaker than his regular Base form. So you kind of have to ignore the Cell Games when doing Boo Arc battle powers IMO.
I'll check it out, but I stopped comparing lists and whatnot a bit ago, so I won't have any critiques for it. |
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Sep 9 2010, 04:42 AM Post #20 |
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No silly, I agree with Future Trunks Andriods Arc being comparable to Andriod Arc Goku and Vegeta. I should have said that better. Future Trunks SSJ against Mecha Freeza is not stronger than SSJ Goku on Namek. Goku Andriods is said to power up tremendously, who might be weaker than Vegeta who isn't all that much different than Trunks. If you know exactly what I am talking about in this paragrapth you are a true master. Who said what ? Im ok with those multipliers. Different take but I don't really have anything to argue against. Except FPSSJ = 5x base Killi system yakon 800 Basegoku 850 SSJ Goku 3000 MaxSSJ 4250 This makes the most sense. Yes, the killi system works. Why not? AT specifically put the numbers into the killi system. He didn't take time out of his day for us to not use them. Yes, I agree. The Cell Games seem to show one thing about Piccolo and the Buu arc another thing. However Buu > Cell since Buu came after. Future Statements > Previous Actions. It sucks, I know. But it is what it is. Check out my list. This is the first time I can be confident in it. I figured out all of the loops. Got the fusion multiplier. Do you know how hard it is to make these things happen? Base Gokan ~ Buutenks Base Gotenks > SSJ Gotenks >= SSJ3 Goku Base Goku/Vegeta/Gohan > Piccolo > Base Goten/Trunks Post Rosat Try this one on for size. SSJ3 Gotenks = Super Buu SSJ2 Gotenks SSJ Gotenk Base Gotenks SSJ Gotenks Pre SSJ3 Goku Now try not to make Goku look too much like a *****. Also make the transformations make sense. Man that was diifcult. I have SSJ3 Gotenks a little less than 10x SSJ3 Goku. THat is small considering that it could be plausible to have SSJ3 Gotenks over 400x SSJ3 Goku. BUt who wants that. Dude trust me. THis is the best power level list out there , ever. I like debating with you you have knowledge of this. I enjoy not having to explain every little stupid thing. CHeck it out I jsut posted it though. No need to do all the hard work take mine and work off of it and make adjsutments as you like it will be much easier. |
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| Nusu | Sep 9 2010, 06:16 AM Post #21 |
Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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Oh Power levels *Pukes*. |
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Sep 9 2010, 09:18 PM Post #22 |
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Lol just because you don't have the brain capacity to deal with a scary thing like "numbers" doesn't mean you have to make a mess out of yourself silly child. It's not that bad I promise. |
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| Kingpin | Sep 10 2010, 03:42 AM Post #23 |
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OMG how do you guys come up with these calculations. whatever happened to "its over 9000"!!!! |
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| + Ryebrid | Sep 10 2010, 07:37 AM Post #24 |
 
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Thats demeaning. |
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| Nusu | Sep 10 2010, 11:06 AM Post #25 |
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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First "Silly, Child." Dude, I´m studying Psychology. And i can see that you are very upset about me saying that.. i dislike Power Levels due to the fact, That Power Levels can be barely stated after trunks arrival, So you insulting me just shows your disliking to others who don´t share your view is this correct sir? If not then i apologize in advance for my "disliking" in power levels. |
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| Kingpin | Sep 10 2010, 07:36 PM Post #26 |
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no need to flame |
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| + Ryebrid | Sep 11 2010, 01:07 AM Post #27 |
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P123 questioned his intelligence and called him a silly little child. He has the right to talk back. For some parts Piccolo was the strongest, considering the super saiyans were on par with Piccolo's base means he was a heck load stronger. |
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| Kingpin | Sep 11 2010, 02:15 AM Post #28 |
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I completely agree with the second paragraph, but all of you guys lost me with these numbers.... LOL I don't know where they came from because frieza was the last to use a scouter therefore these power levels are irrelevant. |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 11 2010, 02:18 AM Post #29 |
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Technically, the last scouter reading is when Trunks arrives, before he slices up Freeza's henchmen. But yeah. >_> |
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| darkwarrior | Sep 11 2010, 02:34 AM Post #30 |
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Seriously, screw power levels. They're all bull crap. |
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