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THE QUESTION EVERY DBZ FAN WANTS ANSWERED!
Topic Started: Sep 3 2010, 06:04 PM (1,325 Views)
Kingpin Sep 3 2010, 06:04 PM Post #1
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 Ok here goes:
Why does Toriyama Despise Vegeta so much,
Why does he choose to put us Vegeta fans in harms way when the debate about Vegeta vs. Whomever arises? (because all they always say is "vegeta is a joke, vegeta never wins, vegeta gets owned alot blah blah blah)

Why couldnt he had just given vegeta One(1), just one win off the main characters? because in all truthfulness vegeta should been the one to defeat frieza (because the horror his saiyan lineage experianced in the hands of that tyrant!) that was his fight, We dont even care if he went super sayian or not during that fight. it doenst even have to be a real win, i would have been satisfied if the planet blew them both up, making it a draw!
Cmonnnn!!!!!! Toriyama!!!!!
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Nusu Sep 3 2010, 06:17 PM Post #2
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

Vegeta is disliked by Toriyama because... Akira dosen´t like people like Vegeta, He wanted a rivalry with Goku, But he would never ever put him on the top, Because he is arrogant, cooky, ignorant and much of a bully, This is one of the few reason´s i heard why he dislikes him, The rest is unknown.
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Kingpin Sep 3 2010, 06:53 PM Post #3
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 its just sad.

the way i view is...
goku finally had a worthy rival (krillin was such a joke)
but for some unearthly reason Akira decided He was gonna ride Gokus ***** the entire series!

Example:
(Goku Compared to Vegeta)

End Saiyan saga:
Goku surpassed in skill
Vegeta slightly stronger in terms of power

End Frieza Saga:
Goku surpasses in Both skill and Power/Achieves the impossible.

End of Android Saga:
Vegeta Gets a giant power boost(SSJ)
Gokus power suffers but skill still intact

End Cell Saga:
Goku Surpasses in both power and skill yet again
While Vegeta is granted a quick strength boost and the chance to be the first of something! (USSJ lvl.)

End Tournament Saga(yes it is a saga)/Prequel Buu Saga
vegeta and goku assumed equal in power (mj vs. ssj2)
but yet vegeta is tormented by goku's skill

End Buu Saga:
Goku's both power and skill Pwns Vegeta to the point vegeta admits his inferiority! (Embarrassing!!!!!)

YES, ITS VERY SAD INDEED!
Vegeta never caught a break!
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Fulgore Sep 3 2010, 06:54 PM Post #4
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The Darkness Returns

 Does a machine like yourself ever experience fear?

Vegeta has plenty of triumphs. He could of ended Cell.

Vegeta's pride stopped it, and that is really what Akira is pointing out.

You can't be full of such negativity and be successful. Vegeta finally admits this in the end
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Kingpin Sep 3 2010, 06:59 PM Post #5
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 im just disappointed at such weak rivalry.
Look at naruto and sasuke, that a great example of a successful rivalry
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+ Pyrus Sep 3 2010, 07:55 PM Post #6
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 Wow. Fulgore made an excellent point. Never thought of it like that before.

I do think the one time Vegeta should have absolutely been given the victory is against the fat Boo. All of that build-up, and then... he fails. It was just really bull in my eyes.

I bet if Goku were to do the same thing, Toriyama would've had it succeed. <_<
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Nusu Sep 3 2010, 08:00 PM Post #7
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

Yeah, It´s sad, If it comes to Hero´s of DBZ Vegeta was alway´s my number one, Even though he can be counted as an "Anti-Hero" However, Vegeta rules, He had the most epic lines, The most epic transformation´s First SSJ, ASSJ, Majin. In other words Vegeta just plain rules even though toriyama dislikes him.
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Kingpin Sep 3 2010, 08:28 PM Post #8
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 if there was an episode strong enough to make a dbz fan cry, that suicide episode was it....
i remember watching dbz on cartoonnetwork and him beat up trunks and goten while pouring his feeling out...
LOL just takes me back
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Gigacrusher Sep 3 2010, 08:51 PM Post #9
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 Doesn't Toriyama have a saying like " innocence will conquer all" or something like that which is why only Goku and Gohan could be the ultimate heroes and why Vegeta or Piccolo or whoever never really was.
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+ Green Sep 3 2010, 10:13 PM Post #10
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Flashy Thing!

 I do wish that there was a greater variety of people in the spot light, especially ones that get to beat major villains.
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Y2J Sep 4 2010, 03:33 PM Post #11
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 Vegeta and Piccolo could've been used so much better in my opinion. Not to mention Tien, Yamcha, Krillin and Chiaotzu. I think Vegeta and Piccolo should've remained in Goku's league throughout the whole series and that they should've made more evil henchmen characters for the rest of the Z Fighters to take on. That way we could've got our dose of everybody instead of oversaturating Goku so much. However I think having Vegeta always one step behind Goku added to his character, he was a motivated, narcissistic, sarcastic, intense, rebellious underdog and that's the way I like him.
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Nusu Sep 4 2010, 04:33 PM Post #12
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

Piccolo.. that poor dude... i was like what the ***** when i saw what they did with him in the Buu Saga.
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Kingpin Sep 4 2010, 04:47 PM Post #13
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Sep 4 2010, 04:33 PM
Piccolo.. that poor dude... i was like what the ***** when i saw what they did with him in the Buu Saga.
Ive always wanted to see a piccolo vs vegeta fight!

and Toei missed his opportunity when piccolo fused with kami...

imagin: super vegeta vs. piccolo(kami)
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+ Pyrus Sep 4 2010, 05:46 PM Post #14
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 Super Vegeta would cream Piccolo. Piccolo was equal with #17, got couldn't even scratch Imperfect Cell, who was equal to #16, who couldn't even scratch Semi-Perfect Cell, who got owned by Super Vegeta. :P
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Kingpin Sep 4 2010, 06:11 PM Post #15
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Sep 4 2010, 05:46 PM
Super Vegeta would cream Piccolo. Piccolo was equal with #17, got couldn't even scratch Imperfect Cell, who was equal to #16, who couldn't even scratch Semi-Perfect Cell, who got owned by Super Vegeta. :P
ok.
and here is mine.

Super Vegeta gets creamed by Android 18,
who is weaker than Android 17,
the same person who was evenly matched with piccolo if not weaker,
and piccolo was knockoff by imperfect cell(powered up),
who was weaker or equal to Android 16(before Touch up)
ugh then its Android 16(post Bulma Touch up) that could match up to semi perfect cell,
who was weaker than Utra Vegeta,
and then we have Perfect Cell. the same guy that humiliated Ultra Vegeta, and put Ultra Truncks super power Up to shame!
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