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A couple of you moderators do your jobs adequately; However.
Topic Started: Aug 18 2010, 08:40 PM (2,110 Views)
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Aug 19 2010, 09:39 AM
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Aug 19 2010, 02:58 AM
I'm hearing this word "attack" a lot. I'm also even hearing "racist" and "liar."

This is blown out of proportion. I'm done here.
The word 'racist' was used by Zero explaining (although it wasn't necessary) that you once accused him of calling you a racist. He isn't calling you a racist now.

And Graffiti, who is T.B?
It was necessary in my opinion. he singled me and Light out, he keeps singling me out everywhere therefore I'm defending myself. I didn't call him racist or anyone for that matter so its not like a bad thing. Brian needs to chill with his accusations he's going to keep accusing people of things, nothing good will come from it

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I havent got mentioned yet, this is so typical... haha
I have been pretty busy lately with needing to decide my future pretty hastely. Also, looking for a job with no experience isnt a walk in the park, BUT, whenever I come on and do some posting or look around, if I see something wrong Ill do something or if there is a report ill do something about it.
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Im gonna keep this short and sweet.

I know I don't do my job. Believe it or not I have a life. I just got into university so my lack of activity actually paid off, so zip your lips with this moderator bashing, we'll do our jobs when its convenient for us. This isn't some kind of paid employment.

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Aug 19 2010, 10:02 AM
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This is blown out of proportion. I'm done here.
Then next time when a member asks you to please refrain from name-calling (not a moderator, a member) not an order, a simple request.

Don't have a massive hissy fit.

Mitas, tb is Corrupted.
I took up for Pelador because I had a keen interest in helping him so I told that spammer to get out if he's not going to be mature enough to conduct himself, and I called him a jackass because that's what he is. For what he did, he's a jackass, and we shouldn't tolerate jackasses. We should throw hissy fits and actually GET. SOMETHING. DONE. Right Light? If I had been one of your little MSN buddies and called him a jackass, you'd have agreed, you biased... person. This is so simple, and yet you're so confident that there is only one other way to look at it; I'm the bad guy. The same way you always look at it, I'm sure.

A massive hissy fit. Well apparently this hissy fit has made some people wake up.

No, better yet. This calls for some embarrassment. I'm going postal with this to some other forum communities I'm a part of, and I'm going to show how you guys were so obsessed with me that you actually would complain to me about expressing dismay to the spammer before you'd actually just take care of his spam. That's how biased some of you are. THAT is pathetic.

Woah woah. Zero says I accused someone. Where have I wrongly accused someone? I find solidity and accuracy in every word I've said thus far. Care to explain? And I'm not singling you out... I've called several people out here. You seem pretty insecure and self centered to lead yourself to believe that.

Oh and I see little Viddy can go around giving his opinions on how what I have to say is just simply bull*****. And I should just zip my lips? Well I have a right to speak my opinion, and I don't take orders from you. Nobody says a thing about his opinion, because I'm public enemy #1 to the Elite Perfect Members of DBZF We're Great. You guys are BIASED. And you KNOW it. There's an Elite group for preferred members on here that used to only get initiated based on popular vote of the "elite" until -I- exposed the wrong in it. And there's an appreciation for this horrible, biased mod staff that won't slow down. It's a wonder I'm even fighting the power here, knowing that all you guys are tightly knit best friends. Ugh! Disgusting. How unfair.

You know what. My respect for Jake came from his ability to hear me out despite my unpopularity with the great great GREAT elites and moderators. I thought that was so rare and genuine of him. He was fair with me. I never even expected that of him. But YOU guys... yeah. You've got a long way to go.
Edited by Dark, Aug 19 2010, 05:40 PM.
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Yo

2 weeks ago, I sent you a pm apologising for having a go at you. So I don't understand where the whole Dr Phil analysis came from.

Unlike you, I know when I'm in the wrong.
I don't care if it's you or my best friend, but insulting people never gets anyone anywhere.

I haven't insulted you once so I'd like it if you could discuss your problems with me, rather than break into insults and taunts whenever you feel like things haven't gone your way.

Edit: Do you not see your own hypocrisy?
Edited by Light, Aug 19 2010, 06:28 PM.
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Yeah. A friend of mine actually made an extremely valid point about my purposeless campaign as a single individual against all of you. Generally I stand up for myself, but I believe he's right. There are plenty of people that agree with me, but I guess they ... They just don't feel like I do. I feel like I can do something about it, and they don't.

" Having read them both, I think that, well, you're fundamentally in the right.
The staff ARE biased, and they ARE lazy. Not just mods. Staff. It's great of you to call them out like that, but ultimately it's counterproductive. Everytime you make a topic like that, where you rely on honesty like you're hoping it'll make people change, it fails because they don't appreciate sincerity, or don't recognize it. I know I've been off of MSN for ages 'cause of pc problems, but if you ever think about doing something like this again, we should talk about it. Not just with me, as well: anyone that you think cares that's on the site. If you keep going with these sort of Brian vs DBZF topics, then it'll be hard for anyone to take your side in such topics, even if they agree."
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oh, your friend agreed with you.
Well that settles that then.

Edit: Kyonko is obviously very fair, has he given you his verdict?
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You thought the point I was making was about ONE person agreeing with me? That's not what it was about. Nobody's going to hear me out because of you and YOUR friends. Use the ridicule you tried to give me on yourself; and you'll see how I feel.

Oh and I guess it's just okay for Jake to ignore what me and my friends think, right? We're members here. You'd like to just exclude the people you disagree with. That's why you're not calling the shots, obviously. All you're doing here is just standing against me to defend your friends, when you're (in all honesty) of almost no concern here as the only person you're complaining about is me; the person trying to get a point across. I honestly don't even see WHAT you're doing here actually. What ARE you doing here?
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You've attacked me countless times.
And you're wondering why i'm standing against you?

I asked about Jake's verdict, because he's obviously someone we both trust.

And of course my problem is with you. You insult anyone who has a different viewpoint than yourself, it's either your way or not isn't it Brian? You're acting like a child and it's beginning to get really old.

This isn't about you liberating DBZF, this is about you calling everyone who disagrees with you a Jackass or an Idiot.
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Aug 19 2010, 07:05 PM
You've attacked me countless times.
And you're wondering why i'm standing against you?

I asked about Jake's verdict, because he's obviously someone we both trust.

And of course my problem is with you. You insult anyone who has a different viewpoint than yourself, it's either your way or not isn't it Brian? You're acting like a child and it's beginning to get really old.

This isn't about you liberating DBZF, this is about you calling everyone who disagrees with you a Jackass or an Idiot.
"This isn't about you liberating DBZF, this is about you calling everyone who disagrees with you a Jackass or an Idiot."

I strongly contest the validity of this.

"You've attacked me countless times."

-And this. My blunt methods are attacks I'm assuming.

"And of course my problem is with you. You insult anyone who has a different viewpoint than yourself, it's either your way or not isn't it Brian? You're acting like a child and it's beginning to get really old."

Once again, you are stretching things big time. If this were all true, I would be rightfully getting kicked off this forum.

And is it just me, or are you borderline defending the jackass spammer?

Back to your little "friendly defense" statement a couple posts ago.

You basically said, "Oh so your friend agrees with you. Cool." and I'm basically saying, Yeah... and what more are you doing than agreeing with your friends.

You are biased. That's more childish than speaking your mind.
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Stand down. You are becoming too emotionally involved with this. I already talked to you once about this, I don't like repeating myself.

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Aug 19 2010, 07:27 PM
This is turning to be such a bad joke, I'm actually laughing. You really aren't helping your case.
Nor are you helping yours, you're not even attempting to keep the peace here now, like Mods should do, you're trying to defeat Brian in an argument, driven by your own emotions.
I know that this topic has turned into a bit of a joke, but it was initially a complaint made about the activity and actions of the mod team, aimed at the forum and I'm guessing the admin team. Arrogantly acting like it's you that Brian is trying to convince really isn't helping your case, either. You're not the ultimate authority because you have a blue name and some powers.

Whilst I think that Brian maybe went aout this wrong, calling everyone out like this, rather than going through our beloved and beneficial (and dead) Parliament, I think his initial complaint should be noted and contemplated, whilst all that has followed should be ignored.

Not long ago Pelador acted in a manner both hurtful and painfully awkward towards Bouncefox in this topic, on the first page.
Light said, and I quote; "Pelador's Pelador."
If we make the assumption then that KNOWING in what manner a member is going to act pardons such action, why is there still this beef with Brian? We're all aware he speaks his mind, why are still surprised and offended by it? A member made a hurtful remark, the member affected said in the next post that it was hurtful, and as far as I am aware nothing was done. Brian called a spam poster a jackass, and the member may not even have been too bothered by it, and the SWAT teams descended.

Not meaning to name names here or anything, I just find it to be an interesting case with which to compare what's going on now; sorry for pinpointing you, Light and Pelador.
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Well then perhaps you should have used the report button in there? Members are there to help mods, I'm not on all the time, I certainly would have said something to Pelador had I seen it. Now He had his post. He mentioned two names in the thread me and Light, so yes he targeted me there and that was no it, he went to someone else saying I'd called him a racist when I never did, so yes it got personal hemade accusations towards me he has no idea of, he comes in here and mentions me again, he's talking about being Bias, yet I confront anyone with anything I disagree, I just don't always go and do it in public, because a lot of times its better off doing off public. Not to mention this hasn't been theres been other times he attacked me. He has no idea who I am or what I've done so yes I find this to be a joke now since he claims the staff to be bias. I've had disagreements with staff members before, I told them my disagreements, you can't see it, its because I want it that way. He has the right to speak his opinion but he takes it too far, so why is he allowed to and I am not allowed to? Especially when he has already attacked me a few times outside this thread as well? Cause clearly I find it dumb to especially complain when I look at the report PC and never see reports. If there were reports there and no one ever did anything, I would take it more seriously. If a staff member was on a thread and did nothing, PM a different staff member with the case. Making a scene like this one is pointless and is only going to cause more trouble.

This was the wrong way to approach things, and therefore I find this to be a big joke. Use the report buttons. The staff is human they aren't going to see every topic all the time. If no one wanted members to report things the report button would not exist

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Alright, I'm starting to get a little pissed.

I'm tired of beating around the bush on this issue, so, you guys are going to get my actual opinion on this issue, seeing as I'm in charge of handling it and much has gone down in the past 24 hours.

Zero, you need to either stop posting here or make it constructive. You're becoming emotionally driven yet again and it is clouding your judgment, yet again. You are a good moderator when you're not letting your judgment be overtaken by comments you find offensive.

You are not acting in a civil manner and I have talked to you a few times about this and I dislike repeating myself.

Itagaki and Viddy, I understand times are tough or you are busy, but, it is really not difficult to come on a little bit each day. I manage to do it and I will always manage to do it. I had a chronic addiction to World of Warcraft, school, sleep and Driver's Ed to take and I still made some idle time for the forum.

Being "busy" does not warrant your lack of activity and failure to perform your duties. I understand University has MUCH higher priority over a DBZ Forum, but, at least say something or allow a temporary replacement until you can be active again. It really does look bad to have a half-dead staff.

Light, Brian is Brian. I agree with Sousen on this. I do not necessarily agree with his methods of communication, but, neither can anything be done about them. He is not breaking any rules and I genuinely believe in his mind he is actually trying to do some good around here, regardless of how it may seem.

Brian, I pretty much stated what I thought about your topic when I addressed Light. I dislike how you set it up, but, that's just how you do things. I don't care, nothing I can do about it. Trying to do something about it is what people have been doing this entire topic and almost your entire stay at DBZF and it does NOT work so people, stop trying.

He is who he is, love him or hate him. He's not going to change and he's not doing anything wrong. Having said that, use the report button more often. Thank you for using it yesterday, I took care of the reported issue.

The fact is, some of the staff IS biased and have close relationships with each other. I am good friends with Zero and I admit if I wasn't friends with him I might look at him more harshly, but, the fact is, he has been here a long time and I know he is a good moderator when he doesn't let things get to him personally.

Having said that, I have always been known as being aggressive, harsh or calculating on here. I had many enemies back in the day. I spoke my mind and did what I thought was right regardless of what anyone else thought. I am still somewhat the same, except I value my fellow moderators' opinions and in some cases, members.

The fact is, you are right, sort of. The staff here is not inherently bad, the reason they are "bad" is because some of them eventually become inactive. We've never had the same staff members forever, I was a staff member here for a solid four years before retiring and coming back. It happens.

If staff members go inactive for a long period of time, especially those in higher positions, they either need to be demoted, replaced or if they are particularly useful or give some sort of notification of a timed leave, a temporary replacement is in order.

I understand some staff will be disappointed or offended if they lose their positions, so, a temporary replacement can be in order.

I am going to ask everyone here to calm down. If I see anything that I deem not constructive arguing on this issue I will be issuing warns. I do not care if you are a staff member, a legend, an elite member, a member, a new member. You will be warned.

Attacking Brian does nothing but issues him to rely on self-defense and get rather bitter back. Which creates more of this. So, if I see any of that, those involved will be warned. Get it?

Just to be clear: I want you guys to use this topic as a median for discussing ideas from the open post. Clearly, Brian is disappointed with inactive or "useless" staff. I want you to make your opinions on why you think this. Please, I advise you in the spirit of good taste not to name individuals, but, again, just my opinion.

If you have any suggestions on inactive staff that need to be replaced or should be contacted beforehand, send me a message. I have gotten a hold of a few inactive Super Mods, but, ultimately, the decision lies to Jake. I am just taking care of what Tim would have to deal with if he were not having internet troubles at the moment.

Also, parliament was mentioned. Please, if you feel there is an issue with that, do discuss. But, this topic is NOT a "bash Brian" topic like these usually turn into. He actually does bring up some legitimate points, it's just the way he brings them up tends to piss you all off and cause you to disregard them and attack him.

I'm not Brian's best buddy nor do I agree with his methods, but, really, you are making this worse for yourselves, for him and for the forum. There are actual changes that should be made (otherwise Jake wouldn't have let me take care of this) but, instead of making constructive posts, you're arguing with Brian! How is that helpful?

In any case, I apologize for the long post. Just please take what I said into consideration. Careful consideration. :)
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I agree I deserve any warning given. I acted out of my emotions. It was wrong of me and for that I apologize. Starting tomorrow will be a new day.

My constructive side is that I believe that the report button could be used more often to help the mods know whats going on in topics they may have missed to not being on at the time or just simply missing it. And if the report seems to be ignored, I think it would make it better to PM a member of the staff, the staff member whom you trust the most to take action and let them know how you feel.

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