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| Kamikaze Pyro's 11th Power Level List; I might as well. | |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 9 2010, 10:01 PM Post #1 |
 
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Please delete this topic. It's a waste of space.
Edited by Pyrus, Aug 14 2010, 04:29 AM.
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| + Ryebrid | Aug 13 2010, 10:42 AM Post #2 |
 
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Well this is an interesting power lvl list. Im glad to see that at least someone else like me KNOWS Gotenks SSJ3 is stronger than Goku SSJ3. People just think "oh Goku's the best!" all the time. I admire that you stated Goku was still weaker than Gohan after 10 years because the plain fact of the matter is that he would be. No way can Goku master SSJ3 under the conditions of: Living in a time of peace, Training on Earth, having no Zenkai's or power boosts from battle's, living a more peaceful life, and the fact that Goku is steadily getting older. Many people cant accept that fact. Goku's around what 50 or higher? Even if he is a saiyan thats still pretty old to still be fighting. Now my critique I know Freiza 100% full power was fighting even with Goku, but the truth is even though they were fighting relatively even Goku wasnt really trying all that much. He was really just trying to wear down Freiza until he realised how powerless he was against him. He wanted to rip Freiza's pride to shreds. Freiza was more so i say around 120-140k. I just want to state out that Vegeta didnt go "USSJ" as it's called. Vegeta only went ASSJ max power. ASSJ= Super Saiyan type 2 USSJ(fan made)= Super Saiyan type 3 He knew its flaws and knew he couldnt win if he went USSJ. Trunks went ASSJ and USSJ. While he was still no match for Cell he was quite powerful in a matter of speaking. Goku MSSJ/FPSSJ max lvl- i think it would be a bit higher. Maybe sitting around 10,000,000,000- Gohan 12,000,000,000. Just sounds more right to me. Otherwise Gohan is 25% stronger than Goku, and that seems way to much considering they trained together. I dont see how Goten and Trunks are MSSJ's/FPSSJ's at that point in time during the world tournament. Yeah they could be after they master fusion and master Gotenks, definitely, but not before. And i really dont think that the supreme Kai is that strong. Yes he is strong but not stronger than everyone base. And i think you base Adult Gohan is to weak to, he got weaker but not that much. And now about something thats talked about alot.... Gohan WAS NOT Super Saiyan 2 when he fought Dabura. He was only regular Super Saiyan. If he were Super Saiyan 2 Dabura would have been decked by Gohan no questions asked. There is absolutely no lightning in his aura whatsoever! Even in the Manga and thats canon! If you really want me to prove that he is SSJ just read the Topic on Gohan SSJ and NOT SSJ2. It has enough to tell you that Dabura is not as strong as Super Perfect Cell, nor is Gohan SSJ2. And my last bit of banter is that i doubt ubb would be that strong. He hasn't even begun to understand his power yet. Yeah he might have gotten angry but he wouldnt get that strong i dont think. He's NEVER used the power he used at the tournament. I might disagree with more but thats all i see now. Edited by Ryebrid, Aug 14 2010, 04:44 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Aug 13 2010, 11:40 AM Post #3 |
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Thanks for your time and comments.
It's quite obvious that Gotenks is stronger than Goku. Haha. Goku *****ers are kind of stupid IMO.
Yeah, but it changes sometimes. Sometimes I do have Goku higher and other times, like this time, I don't.
I'm probably going to lower Freeza's power to around 135mil. I realized that in the manga he only gets in a few good shots on Goku.
I know, but I couldn't think of the name for it so I just used USSjin and USSjin 2 or whatever. I'm going to change it.
That's just how the levels ended up, and I didn't want things to get that high until later when it doesn't really matter. Gohan being that much stronger than Goku seems justified in the manga considering Gohan took Cell's blows and didn't seem damaged too much, whereas that same Cell was fighting evenly with Goku and injuring him to the point where Goku needed a senzu bean. They were two different fights, but Gohan took the blows a lot better than Goku did I believe.
It comes down to their SSjin auras and just how easily they grasp the SSjin concept.
Kaioshin always changes radically from list to list for me. On one he's weaker than even Base Gohan, on others he's in the middle, and on this one he's stronger than them all. I really don't feel like doing the extra work to change him around so much, so I just left him however he turned out this time.
He regained basically most of his strength though so I don't think it's that bad.
Yeah, I had him just SSjin before and I actually changed it when I posted this list, but then I read over the manga again and just never changed it back. I'll change it back now I think.
I think a lot of the Z Fighters were amazed at his power, like the kind of amazement you get when you see someone stronger than yourself.
Keep going, man. I love doing this stuff. |
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| + Ryebrid | Aug 14 2010, 12:16 AM Post #4 |
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I'll get back to you on this later, i dont have the time right now. |
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Aug 14 2010, 12:29 AM Post #5 |
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Hmm since you did mine I will do yours. Hmm alot of work it appears... Raditz 1500 Saibamen @1200 said to RIVAL Raditz. You have Saibamen at a 80% deficit which is tremendous. We see that a 90% gap is enough to dominate someone so it would have to be less than that to rival. I have Raditz at 1220. Much more accurate. Daiz is great and all but they are a GUIDE. Use the as a guide and not the bible. They are people and make mistakes as well. Neither are they canon. And we can see that even some mistakes are corrected( vegeta over 20k changed to over 30k ) King Cold does not have another transformation. He is in his true form. He is comparable to Mecha Freeza suppressed who cannot suppress his power level below his true forms suppressed state. If King Cold was in his 2nd suppression his power would be a little bit weaker than 2nd Suppression Freeza. Piccolo and Vegeta are beyond that power at the time yet still fear Cold. Cold is suppressed but does not have transformations or suppressions. He is in his true form. I like to say that Freeza and Cooler take after their mother. Nothing indicates SSJ Trunks to be much stronger than SSJ Goku. You have a huge difference between them. So those have to come down for sure. Then everyone else will follow in the Andriods Arc. Initial Semi Cell>= SSJ Vegeta >= SSJ trunks You have SSJ Vegeta as stronger than Initial Semi Cell. Initial Semi Cell is stated to be stronger by 16. Then Semi powers up. Vegeta says it was a huge power up. Then Vegeta powers up to USSJ . So USSJ has to be near a 2x multiplier. Semi Full Power + 18 = Initial Perfect Cell Readout (andriod 16) Initial Perfect Cell's power readout is a littl lower than USSJ Vegeta. So USSJ Vegeta should be a little stronger than this formula... Suppressed Perfect Cell has the same power when he fights USSJ Vegeta , USSJ2 Trunks, and 50% Goku. Nothing indicates he powered up from the time he fought Vegeta and Trunks till the Cell games. Cell Games Vegeta = Trunks = Cell Jr These three are stated to be equals by Cell. (original dialogue ) Piccolo > 50% Goku... Piccolo is shown to be standing alongside Vegeta and Trunks while everyone else is face down. He is not stated to be equals so he is not but he can't be that far off. Piccolo and Goku's conversation after Piccolo exits the Rosat implies that Piccolo is beyond 50% Goku Not by much though. I have Piccolo at 60% of FPSSJ Goku. Vegeta and Trunks at 70%. Your not using a 50x multiplier for SSJ. Nothing indicates that the multiplier changes until FPSSJ. Making up you own numbers is just silly. In the Rosat the SSJ training they did also brought up their base to support their new power. A theory yes, but very plausible. Each lower form has to support a higher form. I don't think base can support a transformation higher than 50x. It would be too much strain. FPSSJ Gohan is not that much stronger than FPSSJ Goku. Cell is the same power as he was against Goku he just held back his speed against Goku. Nothing indicates SSJ2 is a 10x boost. Sure Gohan had a huge lead on PC but not by all that much. SPC powers up like Gohan. So how the hell could Vegeta make SPC flinch? Vegeta can't be more than 4 or 5 times weaker than SPC to accomplish this. Just wouldn't be possible. Gonna get the rest later let's go with this sofar. |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 14 2010, 04:29 AM Post #6 |
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You're right, my list is really a piece of *****. I'm just gonna delete it. |
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Aug 14 2010, 10:58 PM Post #7 |
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Lol. Adopt my list. There are several things up for debate on my list but it's a good base to start from. Then argue the little pieces here and there and make your own mind up. I am constantly adopting my list . Actually I have adapted about 5 characters from the time I posted my first list. I think if you apply my formulas you will generally come around the same levels as I do. So try em out man I want to speak on all my formulas and theories I def don't mind I love talking about em. You are not nearly as bad as most people though. You debate in a professional manner as well. |
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| SSJ | Sep 23 2015, 04:41 AM Post #8 |
 
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Why do you have Gohan @ Freeza s low? |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 23 2015, 05:18 AM Post #9 |
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I don't even have a list anymore. Are you psychic? |
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| SSJ | Sep 23 2015, 07:15 AM Post #10 |
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Yes. I remember this list well. |
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