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Fusion Reborn- flaws pointed out?; Getting facts straight
Topic Started: Aug 8 2010, 12:34 PM (4,692 Views)
+ Ryebrid Aug 8 2010, 12:34 PM Post #1
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 Now before i even start let me say.... I LOVE FUSION REBORN!!!!!!!!! Its probably my favourite movie.
But i watched it today and noticed flaws with the time line and such.

Firstly I'll point out the fusion.
When they turn into "Veku"(as stated by one of the Kai's as a joke) they survive the 30 minutes luckily and get another chance to fuse. Whats really a plot hole however is that somehow miraculously they dont need to wait an hour to fuse again, and fuse as soon as they separate into Gogeta. I geuss i wasnt paying attention all those times i watched it before or forgot i noticed it?
They could have easily dragged out another 5-10 minutes of waiting to fuse again to make it longer and have more action.

Now the time line...
We all agree its when Goku comes back after his day on Earth right? If thats so then Gohan should be on the Supreme Kai's planet training with the Z sword right? Yet he's on Earth and everyone isnt sad about him being dead cause he's there with them? And Majin Buu is NOWHERE to be seen in the movie? He isnt having fun killing all the dead?

Everyone acts as if Majin Buu doesnt exist except Goku states to Janemba "You should be proud, only Majin Buu has pushed me this far in battle before". Not even King Kai...he mentions absolutely nothing about him. Only one is Goku, Vegeta to considering the fact he died trying to kill Buu.

And the fact that Goten and Trunks have mastered the fusion technique? In the main story more or less Goku went to Gohan straight away as soon as he returned. Yet their having another Other world Tournament.
So it might be possible that they mastered it given the principles of Movie 12 ,but they wouldnt have achieved SSJ3 cause Super Buu cant be around otherwise there would be no one alive.

There might be more..but is what i said right? If im wrong in any way please correct me.

And take into account im not trying to offend Movie 12, I LOVE IT!, i just wanna talk about it cause i tend to watch it more than the rest.
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Wintergreen5000 Aug 8 2010, 03:49 PM Post #2
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WCZE

 The movies are an adaptation of the main story. They take some things and leave some things. That way we know what part of the story the movie is from, and they have room to make the movie instead of being constricted by timelines. You cannot make a movie around the Buu Saga if the Z-Fighters are all busy dealing with Buu.
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Nusu Aug 8 2010, 04:24 PM Post #3
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True, I never noticed that until you told us, Itīs actualy a plot hole, But... can it be diffrent cause the fusion was done in the Other World?
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+ Pyrus Aug 8 2010, 05:20 PM Post #4
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 It actually isn't a plothole if you think about it. It can work. I normally have it right after Goku goes back to the Afterlife, but I forgot about the Gohan and Boo not being there thing, so this is what works better actually.

It's an alternate universe/timeline where Gohan actually DID beat Boo. It explains why Boo isn't there, and it also makes sense for Goku to still be dead since he had no need to come back to life.
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soldier223 Aug 8 2010, 11:02 PM Post #5
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Aug 8 2010, 03:49 PM
The movies are an adaptation of the main story. They take some things and leave some things. That way we know what part of the story the movie is from, and they have room to make the movie instead of being constricted by timelines. You cannot make a movie around the Buu Saga if the Z-Fighters are all busy dealing with Buu.
This is true. None of the Movies set in perfectly with the series(they werent meant to). They movies are simpily side stories or "what-ifs". Notice how none of the events from movies are ever mentioned in the series by anyone...? The only movie that has ever been well placed is the Bojack movie. Obviosly, its right after they defeated Cell because Bojack was "Unbound" by King Kai's planet being vaporized by that ***** Goku. So yea, keep that in mind when ever your watching a DBZ movie and your getting frustrated because certain things are contridicting to what you saw in the series or the timing of the movie dosnt fit. Toriyoma had little to do with the movies other than character design for the villians.
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Unlisshed Aug 9 2010, 02:58 AM Post #6
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 My advice? Just ignore the fact that they don't fit in properly! :)
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Nusu Aug 9 2010, 06:17 AM Post #7
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

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Aug 8 2010, 05:20 PM
It actually isn't a plothole if you think about it. It can work. I normally have it right after Goku goes back to the Afterlife, but I forgot about the Gohan and Boo not being there thing, so this is what works better actually.

It's an alternate universe/timeline where Gohan actually DID beat Boo. It explains why Boo isn't there, and it also makes sense for Goku to still be dead since he had no need to come back to life.
It isnīt since it is a Side Effect of the Fusion, I donīt know if it works diffrently in the Other World then on Earth but its a plot hole, 1 hour minimum.
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+ Pyrus Aug 9 2010, 07:00 AM Post #8
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Aug 9 2010, 06:17 AM
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Aug 8 2010, 05:20 PM
It actually isn't a plothole if you think about it. It can work. I normally have it right after Goku goes back to the Afterlife, but I forgot about the Gohan and Boo not being there thing, so this is what works better actually.

It's an alternate universe/timeline where Gohan actually DID beat Boo. It explains why Boo isn't there, and it also makes sense for Goku to still be dead since he had no need to come back to life.
It isnīt since it is a Side Effect of the Fusion, I donīt know if it works diffrently in the Other World then on Earth but its a plot hole, 1 hour minimum.
I meant fitting it into the timeline. I don't really care about the Fusion time plothole. Lol. Sorry...
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+ Ryebrid Aug 9 2010, 07:09 AM Post #9
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Aug 8 2010, 05:20 PM
It actually isn't a plothole if you think about it. It can work. I normally have it right after Goku goes back to the Afterlife, but I forgot about the Gohan and Boo not being there thing, so this is what works better actually.

It's an alternate universe/timeline where Gohan actually DID beat Boo. It explains why Boo isn't there, and it also makes sense for Goku to still be dead since he had no need to come back to life.
If Gohan had defeated Super Buu then no one on earth would be alive? Unless they used the dragon balls i geuss...
I always considered it to be after Majin Buu, but Gohan just doesnt look like he would if he were Ultimate. He still has his "Pre- Ultimate" look in the movie so im a bit confused...

Yeah i know the movies dont make sense lol. But its fun to talk about.
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DaLucster72 Aug 9 2010, 08:18 AM Post #10
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 @ Soldier223 I feel like some other movies fit in the timeline as well. Doesn't Wrath of the Dragon (Movie 13) also fit in the timeline well? I think that one fits, as well as the Garlic Junior one, the first Cooler Movie, the first Broly Movie, and like you said the Bojack one. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Nusu Aug 9 2010, 10:32 AM Post #11
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

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Aug 9 2010, 07:00 AM
Nusu
Aug 9 2010, 06:17 AM
Kamikaze Pyro
Aug 8 2010, 05:20 PM
It actually isn't a plothole if you think about it. It can work. I normally have it right after Goku goes back to the Afterlife, but I forgot about the Gohan and Boo not being there thing, so this is what works better actually.

It's an alternate universe/timeline where Gohan actually DID beat Boo. It explains why Boo isn't there, and it also makes sense for Goku to still be dead since he had no need to come back to life.
It isnīt since it is a Side Effect of the Fusion, I donīt know if it works diffrently in the Other World then on Earth but its a plot hole, 1 hour minimum.
I meant fitting it into the timeline. I don't really care about the Fusion time plothole. Lol. Sorry...
No need to worry, I just pointed that out thats all.
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+ Ryebrid Aug 9 2010, 10:39 AM Post #12
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 Maybe a way to fill in the plot hole is that since the laws of the dimensions were taken away, maybe the laws of the fusion were to? It isnt really logical, but for the movie i geuss it is.
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+ Green Aug 9 2010, 12:55 PM Post #13
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Aug 9 2010, 02:58 AM
My advice? Just ignore the fact that they don't fit in properly! :)
I have to say this is the best answer....because thats exactly what i do
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soldier223 Aug 9 2010, 04:05 PM Post #14
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@ Soldier223 I feel like some other movies fit in the timeline as well. Doesn't Wrath of the Dragon (Movie 13) also fit in the timeline well? I think that one fits, as well as the Garlic Junior one, the first Cooler Movie, the first Broly Movie, and like you said the Bojack one. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Ok, let me rephrase my earlier statement. If you know your DBZ and can do a little estimation work, you CAN, fit the movies into their respective increments along the series plot, but there will be contradictions that make you rethink its placement just as you think you've got it figured out. Like Movie 10...best placement is sometime before the World Tournement, because Videl is flying around and everybody is the correct age before the Buu saga starts. Or the Tree of Might. Obviously after the Saiyan saga right before they head off to Namek right? Because Goku knows Kaio-ken and the Spirit Bomb, which he only just learned from King Kai, and had premiered these new attacks in the fight with Vegeta. But how can this fight be? Goku should be layed up in the hospital still, and almost as soon as he leaves the hospital hes heading off to Namek. His friends had already left for Namek so they wouldnt have been around to help out as shown in the Movie. There was simpily no time for them to have fought Turles. But thats the best placement. Im not saying you cant put the Movies in their correct timeframes, im saying its difficult to accuretly place them because of continuty errors that would heavily contradict each other. But write me back with a reply please, or anybody else who has some input, always enjoy a competitive debate with like minded people...reason we're here in the first place right?
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+ Pyrus Aug 9 2010, 06:24 PM Post #15
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If Gohan had defeated Super Buu then no one on earth would be alive? Unless they used the dragon balls i geuss...
I always considered it to be after Majin Buu, but Gohan just doesnt look like he would if he were Ultimate. He still has his "Pre- Ultimate" look in the movie so im a bit confused...

Yeah i know the movies dont make sense lol. But its fun to talk about.

They probably did use the Dragon Balls. And Gohan probably went back to his crime fighting attire, like in Movie 13.

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@ Soldier223 I feel like some other movies fit in the timeline as well. Doesn't Wrath of the Dragon (Movie 13) also fit in the timeline well? I think that one fits, as well as the Garlic Junior one, the first Cooler Movie, the first Broly Movie, and like you said the Bojack one. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Wrath of the Dragon is usually accepted as about one year after the events of the Boo Arc. But the thing that throws it off is how Chibi Trunks gets his sword. It's weird.

I haven't seen the Garlic Junior one in years so who knows. The first Cooler movie can fit, as well as the first Broly movie and the Bojack one, yeah.

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Ok, let me rephrase my earlier statement. If you know your DBZ and can do a little estimation work, you CAN, fit the movies into their respective increments along the series plot, but there will be contradictions that make you rethink its placement just as you think you've got it figured out. Like Movie 10...best placement is sometime before the World Tournement, because Videl is flying around and everybody is the correct age before the Buu saga starts.

Yeah, that's probably the best place for Movie 10.

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Or the Tree of Might. Obviously after the Saiyan saga right before they head off to Namek right? Because Goku knows Kaio-ken and the Spirit Bomb, which he only just learned from King Kai, and had premiered these new attacks in the fight with Vegeta. But how can this fight be? Goku should be layed up in the hospital still, and almost as soon as he leaves the hospital hes heading off to Namek. His friends had already left for Namek so they wouldnt have been around to help out as shown in the Movie. There was simpily no time for them to have fought Turles. But thats the best placement.

Exactly.
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