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epic battles; make some, then answer some!
Topic Started: Jul 17 2010, 03:54 AM (1,699 Views)
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Yeah i think he got a zenkai but i still dont get how he actually healed and rejuvenated himself???
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Somehow his wounds healed in the ice. That's all I know.
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the whole "stronger from near death" crap disappears after frieza saga. its just a fan excuse for broly being stronger. just like how they make ***** up about the scar and the increasing power.
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BURN THIS INTO YOUR MIND! I am emperor of the universe! The likes of you are only fit to grovel at my FEET....or better still TO BE CRUSHED, LIKE AN INSECT AT THe WHIM OF YOUR MASTER!!!- Chris Ayres, Freeza, DBZKAI dub from Funimation
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Aug 4 2010, 12:54 AM
the whole "stronger from near death" crap disappears after frieza saga. its just a fan excuse for broly being stronger. just like how they make ***** up about the scar and the increasing power.
So you think Broly didn't get stronger? Even though there's a sketch by Akira that says Broly got stronger? :errm:

http://www.daizex.com/multimedia/images/character_designs/dbz_movie_8_toriyama/broli.jpg

From Daizenshuu 6: Movies & TV Specials.
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a sketch...used as conclusive evidence? its a sketch! its like saying george lucas's first draft of star wars is proof that han solo is a fish alien.
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BURN THIS INTO YOUR MIND! I am emperor of the universe! The likes of you are only fit to grovel at my FEET....or better still TO BE CRUSHED, LIKE AN INSECT AT THe WHIM OF YOUR MASTER!!!- Chris Ayres, Freeza, DBZKAI dub from Funimation
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Aug 4 2010, 05:22 AM
a sketch...used as conclusive evidence? its a sketch! its like saying george lucas's first draft of star wars is proof that han solo is a fish alien.
It's a sketch by AKIRA TORIYAMA used in one of his Daizenshuu books about the movies. I don't see how you can't use it. That's like not using the instruction manual to build a model airplane or something. It's ridiculous. There's no other way to explain how Broly went from around Perfect Cell to beating up on SSjin 2 Gohan (and I could prove he's Super Saiyan 2 with another sketch, but I doubt you'd take that either since, you know, "its a sketch" and obviously doesn't mean anything).

The George Lucas example doesn't have any value in this debate. It's a completely different universe with a completely different author. The sketch you're probably talking about is most likely a pre-production sketch before they even finalized Han. The sketch I posted isn't different from what we see, unlike what you're offering as evidence.
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a sketch...used as conclusive evidence? its a sketch! its like saying george lucas's first draft of star wars is proof that han solo is a fish alien.
It's a sketch by AKIRA TORIYAMA used in one of his Daizenshuu books about the movies. I don't see how you can't use it. That's like not using the instruction manual to build a model airplane or something. It's ridiculous. There's no other way to explain how Broly went from around Perfect Cell to beating up on SSjin 2 Gohan (and I could prove he's Super Saiyan 2 with another sketch, but I doubt you'd take that either since, you know, "its a sketch" and obviously doesn't mean anything).

The George Lucas example doesn't have any value in this debate. It's a completely different universe with a completely different author. The sketch you're probably talking about is most likely a pre-production sketch before they even finalized Han. The sketch I posted isn't different from what we see, unlike what you're offering as evidence.
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Look, the fact of the matter is Akira drew that sketch after we knew what Broly looked like and how powerful he was. It's not like the example you provided where George drew that before we knew what Hans looked like or anything, so anything could have and did change with that. Nothing changed with Broly as we saw him, and Akira's sketch is as much valid to Broly as an instruction manual is to something you build.
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Also, if there's no zenkais after the Freeza Saga, how come Complete Cell was able to attain one?
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Aug 4 2010, 08:29 PM
Also, if there's no zenkais after the Freeza Saga, how come Complete Cell was able to attain one?
The usual answer I see for that is "HURR DURR CUZ HES CELL DURR!!1!!".

Another fact I dug up: Movie 10 came out in Japan on March 12th, 1994. Daizenshuu 6 came out in 1995. :rofl:
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cell is the sole example of zenkais. there are NO others except the brolytards yacking on about how broly recovered from near death. why? because hes broly and defies toriyama.

you want facts? i dont like using a first draft to back up my point thanks. i look to the final product.
"I am Lord Freeza, whom none surpass me; no one even comes close!
BURN THIS INTO YOUR MIND! I am emperor of the universe! The likes of you are only fit to grovel at my FEET....or better still TO BE CRUSHED, LIKE AN INSECT AT THe WHIM OF YOUR MASTER!!!- Chris Ayres, Freeza, DBZKAI dub from Funimation
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cell is the sole example of zenkais. there are NO others except the brolytards yacking on about how broly recovered from near death. why? because hes broly and defies toriyama.

you want facts? i dont like using a first draft to back up my point thanks. i look to the final product.
It's not a first draft if it's in the Daizenshuu.

And how do you explain Broly going from around Perfect Cell to stronger than SSjin 2 Gohan? Unless you think the power-up Goku received in Movie 8 was stronger than SSjin 2 Gohan, in which case Broly wouldn't need to be stronger than a Super Saiyan 2 because he already was.

Either he got stronger or he was already at Super Saiyan 2 strength in Movie 8. Which is it, man?
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its not a first draft but its in an unreliable crappy "guide" that says coolers revenge fits in the timeline? come on.

how do i explain it? villains get stronger in each movie. except bio broly. but hes allowed to break the trend.
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BURN THIS INTO YOUR MIND! I am emperor of the universe! The likes of you are only fit to grovel at my FEET....or better still TO BE CRUSHED, LIKE AN INSECT AT THe WHIM OF YOUR MASTER!!!- Chris Ayres, Freeza, DBZKAI dub from Funimation
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wow i didn't know so many would come up. well how about final form cooler vs ss2 vegeta or gohan? i never had time to check if it happened, so im just asking! thanks!
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its not a first draft but its in an unreliable crappy "guide" that says coolers revenge fits in the timeline? come on.

It's has mistakes, yes, but so does the manga, so are you disregarding the manga as well? The Daiz isn't completely unreliable. If you've got the manga with you then you use that first, then the Daiz, then anime. But since we don't have a manga for the movie, the Daiz works well here, especially since the specific volume I'm talking about is for the movies and TV specials.

I don't see how the Cooler movie couldn't fit into the timeline though. Vegeta's in space, Trunks is back in his own time, what else is there that would throw it off? Gohan's haircut? It's supposed to happen after Trunks goes back to his time, before the Androids appear. So it could really fit, unless I'm missing something vital here.

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how do i explain it? villains get stronger in each movie. except bio broly. but hes allowed to break the trend.

Would you say Hirudegarn is stronger than Janemba? Honest question too, since I see a lot of debate on it.

But even if that's true, it's still just as much of a copout as the "plothax" one, and you dismissed part of my argument because of that, so yeah.

And you know you just added more validity to the sketch I posted by saying Broly did get stronger, which the sketch also says. :errm:

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wow i didn't know so many would come up. well how about final form cooler vs ss2 vegeta or gohan? i never had time to check if it happened, so im just asking! thanks!

Cooler doesn't come anywhere near a Super Saiyan 2. He got beat pretty easily by just SSjin Goku, who wasn't even as strong as his Android Arc self. Even Meta Cooler would get whooped by a Super Saiyan 2.
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