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Roman vs Spartan armies
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 27 2010, 11:17 PM (2,905 Views)
Mc Esse	Jun 27 2010, 11:17 PM Post #1
Posts: 2,273 Group: Member Member #4,041 Joined: March 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Jersey Shore What Browser do you use? FF Favourite Manga Batman	Here's a tale of the tape! Both cultures have been written in civilisation, although they never met. If you were to imagine a battle between Romans and Spartans who do you have winning. If you can add details to your post even better.



Bouncefox	Jun 27 2010, 11:22 PM Post #2
"What's this? More wolves hungry for the blood of Almire?" Posts: 1,215 Group: Member Member #4,678 Joined: January 10, 2010 Favourite Anime It's hard to have favorites...	...Hmm. I would have to side with the Romans. The Romans aren't like the Persians, the numbers they have would far out-power the Spartans. The technology they have is improved, so that gives them an advantage already. And if we're talking Pax Romana, then, Sparta doesn't really have much of a chance against an entire Empire. If they couldn't last against the Persians, they wouldn't last against the Romans. They can put up a fight, sure, but I think they would eventually lose.
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Mc Esse	Jun 27 2010, 11:28 PM Post #3
Posts: 2,273 Group: Member Member #4,041 Joined: March 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Jersey Shore What Browser do you use? FF Favourite Manga Batman	Quote: If they couldn't last against the Persians, they wouldn't last against the Romans. Well let's give them some help and credit. During the Greco-Persian wars Sparta was the leader of the combined Greek forces, in a war which saw Persia loose some territory! Man for man though, would you still say Rome would win. let's forget about the size of their armies, and focus on the physics of their armies. At it's best Rome was an empire while Sparta was only a city state!



Bouncefox	Jun 27 2010, 11:31 PM Post #4
"What's this? More wolves hungry for the blood of Almire?" Posts: 1,215 Group: Member Member #4,678 Joined: January 10, 2010 Favourite Anime It's hard to have favorites...	Well, if we're talking the same size, here...hmm...hard to say now. Rome still retains its technology and such? Hmm. If I recall, Roman soldiers were trained under a regimen of loyalty; remain loyal to the army 'till you die. Wasn't that much like the Spartans? I see them both fighting equally as hard, but if Rome is in Pax Romana, wouldn't other parts of the Empire be sent to help if they were losing? Even if the Spartans fought their way into Rome, wouldn't they have to deal with the rest of the Empire?
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+ Pelador	Jun 28 2010, 12:48 AM Post #5
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Rome woud outclass Sparta even if they had the same numbers. It wasn't so much their technology which made them a deadly fighting force but their organisation and discipline. They had so many different battle formations for different situations. Plus, unlike the Spartans, they were a professionally trained army whereas the Spartans were forced into service from birth. The differences in these two types of armies are quite prevailent when compared side by side.
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Bouncefox	Jun 28 2010, 01:20 AM Post #6
"What's this? More wolves hungry for the blood of Almire?" Posts: 1,215 Group: Member Member #4,678 Joined: January 10, 2010 Favourite Anime It's hard to have favorites...	But, how do you think barbaric skills would fare against legit training? I'm not denying that Rome would lose this fight. No way. I'm just wondering how much of a dent Sparta could actually put in Rome's defenses or vice versa.
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+ Pelador	Jun 28 2010, 01:37 AM Post #7
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	The Britons and Celts used to just charge at the Romans in a large wave. It rarely worked. the Spartans on the other hand were not rabble like most of the celts in Britannia. They would know not to charge like barbarians. They had arrow proof armour and basic battle formations. Plus, like the Romans they work very well as a unit. So the Romans could lose if they weren't careful.
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Bouncefox	Jun 28 2010, 03:02 AM Post #8
"What's this? More wolves hungry for the blood of Almire?" Posts: 1,215 Group: Member Member #4,678 Joined: January 10, 2010 Favourite Anime It's hard to have favorites...	Indeed. But that's just talking as if it was just Rome itself vs. Sparta. There's still the other parts of the Empire. Speaking realistically, Spartans can't win. Speaking under these circumstances, Sparta has a chance. Hmm. What about Athens? Let's say they didn't succumb to a disease like they did in the war against Sparta (can't spell term I'm thinking of, not going to try.) Do you think they would stand a chance against Rome, under Mcy's conditions?
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* Sousen Ichimonji	Jun 28 2010, 07:06 AM Post #9
You are calm and reposed, let your beauty unfold Posts: 4,176 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,986 Joined: February 15, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Avatar What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Ai Kora	Pelador Jun 28 2010, 12:48 AM Plus, unlike the Spartans, they were a professionally trained army whereas the Spartans were forced into service from birth. Just wanted to throw this in here before we started: what do you think they were doing from birth until the were on the battlefield? lol, they were training. Highly trained pike militia coupled with professional soldiers, some of the finest of their day, leading all of the Greek nations, who also had professional soliders, and again althogh the other Greek states were not as well-known for their citizen army like Sparta was, they too had huge numbers of part-time warriors well trained in the use of the pike. Not too shabby. In terms of quality then I wouldn't be nearly so quick to hand the edge to the Romans; I do think that they WOULD win that field, but lets not discard the Spartan army easily. However, I have to stick with the consensus that the Roman's would win, but only after the Pax Romana. With an empire to draw forces from and, in comparison to the forces of Sparta, advanced weaponry and tactics, I think that the Roman army would win. But it wouldn't be easy. Btw Mc Esse, nice topic haha.
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* -Zero-	Jun 28 2010, 07:14 AM Post #10
Black Knight Posts: 8,697 Group: Retired Staff Member #1,874 Joined: November 5, 2006 Favourite Anime Code Geass, Death Note, Dragonball/Z	Didn't slaves give Rome a hard time on the third slave revolution lead by Spartacus? I mean I may sound ignorant because I ussualy focus more on the greek myth and have not studied the actual history yet (I do plan on studying whenever I get the chance the myths and actual history) but if an amry of slaves already gave Rome a hard time granted the slaves lost, then I think the Spartans would be a more dangerous opponent since they were born to fight
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* Sousen Ichimonji	Jun 28 2010, 07:19 AM Post #11
You are calm and reposed, let your beauty unfold Posts: 4,176 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,986 Joined: February 15, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Avatar What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Ai Kora	The Slave rebellions were in the heartland of the empire, where the Romans did not expect to and were not prepared to encounter strong resistance, and the slaves used guerilla tactics. That would give anyone a hard time. :P But on the front line, in a war between the two factions, the Roman's would be nowhere near as unprepared. You raise a valid point Zero, but I still think the edge would go to the Roman's.
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+ Pelador	Jun 28 2010, 12:04 PM Post #12
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Didn't Rome conquer Greece though? So if they could conquer all of Greece, I'm fairly sure one little city state isn't going to cause them many problems.
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* Sousen Ichimonji	Jun 28 2010, 03:39 PM Post #13
You are calm and reposed, let your beauty unfold Posts: 4,176 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,986 Joined: February 15, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Avatar What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Ai Kora	Again, this is Sparta at the head of SEVERAL city-states, with both nations at the peaks of their strength. Rome conquered Greece long after Sparta was at its fighting best, they had been subdued by various factors many years before the Roman Empire had started to rise. You are right, of course, that Rome conquered Greece; but not the Greece we are discussing.
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Wintergreen5000	Jul 1 2010, 08:25 AM Post #14
WCZE Posts: 1,954 Group: Member Member #4,914 Joined: May 26, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, Bleach What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	One thing is for certain. The Roman Legionnaires are far more maneuverable than the Spartan phalanxes. Also, the Romans used the Pila, which is basically a throwing spear. Using this would pepper the enemy before engaging hand to hand. Now, to me, the Romans wouldn't be dumb enough to charge head on into a phalanx. If you didn't realize, you can't just turn a phalanx around when it's being assaulted or harrassed from all sides. The phalanx fails at that point. If the Romans can break the phalanx then they can break the Spartans.



* Sousen Ichimonji	Jul 2 2010, 09:02 AM Post #15
You are calm and reposed, let your beauty unfold Posts: 4,176 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,986 Joined: February 15, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Avatar What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Ai Kora	True, but the Spartans faced many invaders, such as the Thracians, whom they stood against; the Thracians were very barbaric and unregimented in combat in that period (I'm afraid I can't be too specific lol, sorry), and also considerable more numerous. If maneouverability would be a vital factor in battle, the Spartans had faced groups of warriors that didn't bother with organisation beyond "Oi, you lot follow Urk over there!", whom I'm guessing would have some pretty good maneouverability in comparison to the phalanx, which as you said ILLusioNaire, was very awkward to move any direction other than forward and backward. The Spartans and the rest of the Greeks they would have led would be prepared for their very durable and very dangerous phalanxes to be outflanked; a popular strategy was to have cavalry or lighter infantry for a countercharge, or an Athenian tactic was to use vast numbers of supporting troops with slings to wear down and suppress the advancing warriors that were attampting to outmaneouver the phalanxes, who would then themselves join the fray in a countercharge. Now I'm not so much an expert on the Greek military of that period, but I know slings were used a great deal because of their ease of production and potential damage, which is surprising when you look at what it is and the very easy-to-find ammo it made use of. This would be, to me, as useful in the early stages of combat as a Pila. And the Spartan's had their own version of the Pila too, I think; the Javelin. I dunno if that was very widely used, like the pila was by the Roman legions, but it was a good retort, I would think. Of course, I'm sticking by that the Roman's would win, but I think the Spartan's need to be reasonably defended.
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