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| Superman VS Goku; Sorry to overdue this | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 10 2010, 03:17 AM (2,333 Views) | |
| illstand1 | Jun 10 2010, 03:17 AM Post #1 |
 
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Hi some of you might remember me from the guy that was going to create a DBZ continuation. Well it turns out that that ***** is way too expensive for me too finance alone although Toei seemed to be giving me rights to create in the US. Instead I wanted to create one episode of supreme settling bliss. Superman VS Goku (even this is going to be freakin expensive after legal rights, lawyers, and animation studious). The story I haven't really thought of yet but more importantly I want to explain why I think Goku would win this fight. First off I would like to point out that Superman is stronger than Goku - in terms of brute strength. To aggravate things, he's faster too. Now look at the way things go in the Superman universe. We never see a decent fighter like in DBZ in Superman's universe. They all fight as if they were in a common American brawl but with special abilities. Superman is faster in terms of flying long distances, but in terms of fighting in a battle, even Yamcha seems faster. This is because the Z fighters are faster in shorter distances but they really can't keep up the speed over like 30 feet unlike superman. Superman on the other hand requires a large amount of acceleration in order to reach his top speed rendering it useless in battle (against DBZ universe fighters). Now if Goku and Superman were to fight each other think of it as the Perfect Cell VS Trunks Battle. Superman would outclass in terms of strength but Goku's sheer fighting technique which has been focusing on for years and in-battle speed would overwhelm superman over time. Superman wouldn't be able to get a hit on Goku, but if managed to it would hurt (not too much remember this is Goku) but it would be a fluke in a 100. "You can destroy planets but you can never destroy what I am, friend." "What are you?!" "I am the hope of the universe! I am the answer to all living things that cry out for peace. I am protector of the innocent. I am light in the darkness. I am truth. ALLY TO GOOD, NIGHTMARE TO YOU!" Edit: I'd also like to add that this argument has gotten me banned on youtube videos (comments) and left overhyped Superman fanboys speechless. Think of it like this: A kungfu master VS a weight lifter. The Kungfu master would win in a fight (it's a generalization, not an exact representation). Edited by illstand1, Jun 10 2010, 03:28 AM.
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| + Pelador | Jun 10 2010, 11:53 AM Post #2 |
 
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It depends what Goku we're talking about. Is this before King Kai's training? just after Freeza? After ROSAT? After Cell or after Buu? Can he turn super saiyan? What level? Can he even use Kaioken? I believe Superman's strength best matches Goku's after King Kai's training but there's not really a good way to tell. |
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| Cooler | Jun 10 2010, 12:57 PM Post #3 |
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Superman has moved planets before, he's also faster than light. If we go by consistant high ends Superman crushes Goku. If we equalized speed Goku would have a chance. |
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| illstand1 | Jun 10 2010, 06:38 PM Post #4 |
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He's faster than light after gaining the acceleration to due so. The short ranges in which a fight happens there's no room and point of acceleration. He's moved planets before; yes, that's why I think he's stronger than Goku. And the other reply I'm talking about end of DBZ Goku. |
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| Emperor Cold | Jun 10 2010, 11:53 PM Post #5 |
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If we're talking end of DBZ Goku then it wouldn't even be a fight. Goku would crush Superman with one blow. Goku has literally been training or fighting his entire life. Superman only got a workout when he was fighting evil. And when there wasn't any evil to fight, he just sat around as Clark Kent. So what if Superman could move planets? By the end of dbz most of the main characters could easily destroy a planet. Goku could probably move the solar system if he really wanted to. And Goku surpassed the lightspeed barrier long before the end of dbz. He was moving at the speed of light at least as early as the fight against Burter and Jeice. The ability gap between the Goku of this era and the Goku of the end of dbz is nearly incomprehensible. He got thousands upon thousands of times stronger and faster. Someone like Superman just wouldn't be able to keep up. I agree with Pelador I think Superman is about as strong as Goku after King Kai's training. But even this Goku has a big advantage: energy blasts. The only ranged attack Superman has is his laser eyes, so Goku could just sit back and blast Superman into oblivion from a safe distance. |
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| Gigacrusher | Jun 15 2010, 01:12 AM Post #6 |
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Superman and Goku both have super strength but something tells me Superman is slightly stronger. We rarely see Goku having to use his super strength on huge scales like Superman. Both have the same defense. Both have super speed but Superman's is long distance, more for travel. Goku could dance around Superman especially with instant transmission. The only person who could match or even surpass the Z fighters in speed in the Flash. Technique Goku wins hands down. Superman is a great fighter but he's more of a brawler. I think even Wonder Woman is a better technical fighter then Superman because of her training. Special Attacks Goku wins again. Kamehamaha, Dragon Fist, even Spirit Bomb are much more powerful then Laser Vision and Freeze Breath even though they could give him an advantage in the technical department. Of course Goku would have to be at least Super Sayian 1 to fight Superman. He would have to go SS3 if he really wanted to tip the scale. Also something that might be cheesy to take into consideration. Superman never gives up. Neither does Goku. That's what makes them who they are. The fight would go on FOREVER haha. |
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Jun 15 2010, 08:37 AM Post #7 |
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Goku could be hundreds of times faster than the speed of light by the end of DBZ. He was faster than the speed of light when he beat Burter. Who knows how much faster. |
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| deploy | Jun 15 2010, 11:25 AM Post #8 |
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It was never stated that any of the Z fighters have moved faster than the speed of light, what is your statement based on? |
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| Gigacrusher | Jun 15 2010, 12:46 PM Post #9 |
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I think they can move faster then the speed to light during the Sayian Saga. Raditz moved faster then the speed of light as stated by Piccolo when using his Special Beam Cannon. By the time Vegeta and Nappa came all the Z fighters were more powerful then Raditz was in the beginning. |
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| deploy | Jun 15 2010, 01:49 PM Post #10 |
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Your translation must be off, read this Vol.17 Ch.204 Page 5, it the most reliable translation there is. Furthermore, the Snakeway is 1 million km long and it took Goku about one day to come back from King Kai's planet to Yemma's office. That's about mach 34 speed, which is way slower than the speed of light (0,00386% of it to be exact). |
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| + Pelador | Jun 15 2010, 04:10 PM Post #11 |
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Yeh I made the same mistake of using the anime in another topic. In the Manga, Picollo merely says "Nobody can move that fast." He never mentions light speed. It's in the first book about half way through. |
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| + ryanson209 | Jun 15 2010, 04:55 PM Post #12 |
Hey. Want some?
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Hasn't this fight been done before? Can't we all agree to disagree? |
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| Gigacrusher | Jun 15 2010, 08:11 PM Post #13 |
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Well that's going against a couple of things, kind of. One because I think most of us are saying Superman is fast long distance anyway But Goku can move faster short distance. Also your talking about Goku at the BEGINNING of the whole series. By the time we get to the Buu saga he can definitely move close to the speed of light. Look at the fight between Goku and Cell at the Cell Games, you can barely see them. If your basing it off of Snake Way that means Piccolo, Tien, Yamcha, and even Chouitzu are faster then Goku because they run snake way in about half the time he does. Now I've never read the manga so I'm going from the show with my info. Edited by Gigacrusher, Jun 15 2010, 08:15 PM.
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Jun 15 2010, 08:17 PM Post #14 |
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As stated in another topic, these characters in DBZ can out run explosions that can destroy islands, if not entire planets as seen when Kid Buu attacks earth. |
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| deploy | Jun 15 2010, 10:23 PM Post #15 |
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This comment of mine was referring to this one: Not to the topic in general. In your comment you basically said that by the time Vegeta and Nappa came to earth all the Z fighters could move faster than the speed of light, in short distances of course. But that would mean that Z fighters short distance speed = Goku's long distance speed x250, which is not very likely. Also, the anime is non-canon, and can not be used as source, it is no different then utilizing a fan fiction as canon. |
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