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| chou | Apr 7 2010, 04:33 PM Post #16 |
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The truth behind the SSJ transformation; "According to Goku, the Super Saiyan transformation comes in response to a need, not a desire.[1] In all known cases, the form has been initially triggered by either desperation or indignation. Any other conditions are unknown, and motivation tends to differ; for example, Goku achieves the form out of anger over the murder of his best-friend, Krillin, and Vegeta achieves the form through sheer frustration at his original inability to achieve it, especially over Goku. Saiyan hybrids are naturally skilled at this, as they have the emotion of humans (full blooded Saiyans tend to surpress their feelings) with the fighting potential of Saiyans. As the Saiyans train during Dragon Ball Z, they discover uncharted levels beyond the first Super Saiyan level" http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan In order to understand SSJ, we must first understand both Oozaru and the "SSJ4" and work backwards from there. Moon light produces what is called "Bloodswaves" (as detailed in the DBGT's "Bebe Saga") and the tail is meerly an amplifier, or super strong antenna that collects every mere bit of loose bloodswaves. When enough Bloodswaves are collected the transformation into Oozaru begins. Oozaru has been refered to as the rage of the entire Saiyan race - this rage is mixed heavily with the Saiyan pride that Vegeta continously drones on about. The SSJ4 transformation, is the controlled form of the Golden Oozaru - Which is the Oozaru form obtained when too many Bloodswaves are collected while a Saiyan is in Super Sayian Form. However, it is this key element that we begin to understand the very first super Saiyan transformation. The transformation from Saiyan to SSJ, is the internal rage from the power of Oozaru essentially overclocking the already maxed out fighter. This over clocking however, is not enough. It must be tied to a burst of uncontrolled emotion - this is what allows the power level cap to be raised even further and begins the transformation. Once the SSJ level is obtained, it too must be controlled - It was mentioned that the power it grants can be too much and may drive the fighter insane and in a period of uncontrolled rage may actually kill himself. Now, with every level of SSJ, we must look at it as mounting pressure of inner rage and control. Please, take a look at the graph below. |
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| Temphis | Apr 7 2010, 05:31 PM Post #17 |
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Rampaging Explosion of Euphoric Glory!
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holy-....that was an awesome explination. well, thanks a lot for sharing that. I am gonna use that explination as well then in DBMU cause that sure made sense, and even if it wasn't canon, I still like it, but whats funny is that it sorta is, but just from GT, which may or may not count...I don't care, it's a good explination.
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| + Ryebrid | May 23 2010, 03:52 AM Post #18 |
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Chou you prove a very valid explanation for everyone to understand. You are 100% to the fact that saiyan hybrids can find it a whole lot easier to transform in the legendary super saiyan as fully bloodied saiyans dont have as much emotions, feeling and sympathy as humans do. Apart from goku who is one exception. I believe that is why it was so easy for trunks and goten to ascend to SSJ at such a young age. Them being kids and all, their emotions would soar. I think Super Saiyan is triggered from deep anger and frustration. Where they find it impossible to change circumstances. No matter what they do or how hard they try, they just cant seem to make a different in the matter. Thats where the deep anger and frustration kicks in, a burning raging desire to do and achieve what seems impossible to them. With all their mind, body, body and heart, they concentrate on only one thing....making a difference and not letting anything stand in their way. Feel free to comment =P |
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Jul 30 2011, 12:46 AM Post #19 |
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So Lonely
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You guys are forgetting! The whole reason they would need transform is to overcome what they are facing. I think it's well known that Saiyans don't show strong emotions like humans right? Even Goku. If they do it must mean something is obviously boggling their minds so they might transform. I think it could also explain why Toriyama gave Gohan and Trunks easier transformations. Peace! |
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Jul 30 2011, 04:31 PM Post #20 |
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I say the SSJ form is reached when a impending doom threatens the Saiyan race. We see this with Frieza, Cell, Buu, etc |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 30 2011, 05:04 PM Post #21 |
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Izanagi!
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Impending doom or overpowering frustration Impending Doom : Goku - Frieza killed Krillin and almost killed Piccolo and could just as easily kill him and Gohan Vegeta - The Asteroid was going to destroy the whole planet (anime) Gohan - Cell almost killed Piccolo and threatened the entire world M.Trunks - Gohan died and the Androids were a constant threat to humanity Overpowering Frustration : Goku - Frieza was killing his friends and Goku couldn't stop him Vegeta - Goku surpassed him and he couldn't exceed his limits Gohan - Everybody saved him all the time because he didn't have the power to fight for himself M.Trunks - His Master Gohan died and the Androids took away any chance of him meeting his Father and basically killed all of humanity. It's triggered by a very strong negative emotion. |
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| Kalea_The_Saiyan | Jul 30 2011, 10:48 PM Post #22 |
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Saiyan Warrior
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they go SSJ cuz it gives thm more power. they are able to go SSJ by being pushed to thier limits. |
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| + Pyrus | Jul 30 2011, 11:33 PM Post #23 |
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Super Saiyan is just an adrenaline rush in transformation form. |
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Aug 1 2011, 06:31 AM Post #24 |
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That wouldn't answer where the unbelievable amount of power comes from. Nice try though. |
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| Ani-Nation | Aug 1 2011, 06:33 AM Post #25 |
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Saiyans go SSJ cause AT wanted them to. |
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Aug 1 2011, 06:52 AM Post #26 |
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Circular Thinking? Though it in this case it's true so so badly true. |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 1 2011, 08:19 AM Post #27 |
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It's power they already have, but can't access in their current form. |
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| Balthazor | Aug 1 2011, 08:20 AM Post #28 |
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I'm damn serious
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Aug 1 2011, 01:19 PM Post #29 |
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Thanks more sense. But it wouldn't just be "adrenaline" though. |
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| Nusu | Aug 1 2011, 01:41 PM Post #30 |
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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It's within their genes princess, the ability to transform into a Super-Saiyajin is like the Oozaru. The only difference is, the Oozaru comes by birth, the Super-Saiyajin per hard training. |
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