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yamcha(android saga) vs vegeta(saiyan saga)
Topic Started: Mar 11 2010, 08:45 PM (11,352 Views)
+ Pyrus Aug 4 2011, 04:39 AM Post #46
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 Yamcha didn't do jack against the Saibaman. None of his attacks, including the pseudo-Kamehameha, did anything to harm it.

Still, Yamcha is in no way weaker than this variation of Vegeta. It just wouldn't make sense for him to be that weak.
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POOHEAD189 Aug 4 2011, 04:47 AM Post #47
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Aug 4 2011, 04:39 AM
Yamcha didn't do jack against the Saibaman. None of his attacks, including the pseudo-Kamehameha, did anything to harm it.

Still, Yamcha is in no way weaker than this variation of Vegeta. It just wouldn't make sense for him to be that weak.
What are you talking about? I just checked the manga and he clearly won. Nappa pretty much confirmed it, as did Vegeta with his face of unnapproval.
And the Saibamen was trying its hardest, because of the little "motivation" vegeta gave it.
The fact the saibamen had to self destruct to begin with shows that it had no other option.
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+ supersaqer Aug 4 2011, 11:32 AM Post #48
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Yamcha roflgodstomps Vegeta at that time.
I would put Yamcha above Recoome after King Kai's training. about 70,000.
After the 3 years training I would put him about 2,250,000 - 2,300,000 or as strong as Vegeta or might be even stronger.
So he lolstomps Vegeta by seeing him or hitting him.
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+ Pyrus Aug 4 2011, 12:24 PM Post #49
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Aug 4 2011, 04:47 AM
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Aug 4 2011, 04:39 AM
Yamcha didn't do jack against the Saibaman. None of his attacks, including the pseudo-Kamehameha, did anything to harm it.

Still, Yamcha is in no way weaker than this variation of Vegeta. It just wouldn't make sense for him to be that weak.
What are you talking about? I just checked the manga and he clearly won. Nappa pretty much confirmed it, as did Vegeta with his face of unnapproval.
And the Saibamen was trying its hardest, because of the little "motivation" vegeta gave it.
The fact the saibamen had to self destruct to begin with shows that it had no other option.
What motivation did Vegeta give it? :o_O: I'll admit the Saibaman did look harmed by the pseudo-Kamehameha. I must have been remembering another debate. But I stand firm on my claim that when Yamcha and the Saibaman were actually fighting, neither had an edge over the other. We also don't know if the Saibaman was feigning injury in order to get Yamcha in close, or if he truly felt he had no other option. We don't know enough about the Saibamen to make factual statements on their behavior. If Yamcha was so much stronger than the Saibaman, I don't see why he couldn't have been owning him like Tenshinhan was against his.
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Frostmourne Aug 4 2011, 01:03 PM Post #50
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 Yamcha stomps. He was enough strong to take Recoome who had a powerlevel in the 40 thousand grade. And he easily took on him. This Vegeta is not even enough strong to take on Zarbon who is way weaker than Recoome. This Yamcha trains too.
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Cocoman Aug 4 2011, 01:44 PM Post #51
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 Without the Ginyu filler I still see this as a 1 falcon pawnch win for Yamcha.

Post King Kai's he should be 50-100k alone so post Android training he could be in the millions.
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shonen Aug 4 2011, 11:16 PM Post #52
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Yamcha in android saga is around 26 M++. I think it is ridiculous you put the human fighters at such low levels in the android saga.

They were taking hits from cell jrs for god sake and didn't die in one hit.; even if they were holding back. Did you forget how freiza killed king vegeta with one uppercut to the face effortlessly, and he died just there. Now compare that to all the crap the humans have gone through and tell me if it makes sense for them to even be alive from the enemies they face if there powers were so low.

You shouldn't use goku past training as a measuring stick for the other characters. For one when goku underwent Kami's training he only gain a 100 in power level going from 250-336 after 4 years. When the humans went to kami they went from 200- 1200+ in one year. In other words toriyami increases characters power level according to plot and story telling so as to give each character a chance against the newest threat. This is why vegeta goes from gaining zenkai of 6 k after zarbon fight to 200 k+ after fight with recoome, or how goku goes from 90 k to 3 M after zenkai. its all done for plot not logic or character interpretation.

Yeah Wolf fang fist....vegeta dies.
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+ Pyrus Aug 4 2011, 11:22 PM Post #53
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 Using that logic, the humans must've been on the same level as Piccolo and the Saiyans. They all survived hits from the Cell kids.
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+ Clearin Aug 4 2011, 11:26 PM Post #54
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 Personally I only see "Plot Power ups" happening if the character who gets it ACTUALLY uses it. Such as Piccolo going from lower than 2 million to being able to beat Dr Gero. Yamcha and Krillin never did anything so giving them a plot-hax powerup would be pointless. Tien is arguable, he stopped Cell but I think that's more of a Tri-Beam hax than a Tien hax.
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shonen Aug 4 2011, 11:26 PM Post #55
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Using that logic, the humans must've been on the same level as Piccolo and the Saiyans. They all survived hits from the Cell kids.

Not the same level, but to assume a guy taking hits from people with over 300 M in power level and assuming that his power level is under 10 M is ridiculous; even if they were holding back. Its like saying king vegeta (10 k) could of handled taking hits from freiza (500 K+)in first form and still get back up, which is false.

Piccolo beating android 20 isn't power hax. Its power level relation. Android 20 < Android 19. Vegeta > Piccolo. The relation in series is that they are comparable, having a somewhat rival relationship in power, in which vegeta is much stronger of the two. Using freiza saga as example...Piccolo is over 1 M, vegeta 2.4 M. It was even stated piccolo is was as strong as a SSJ during the android saga by gohan so he's not super weak, and it can be explained logically since he was training with Goku (SSJ) for 3 years.

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TrunksinSwimmingTrunks Aug 4 2011, 11:30 PM Post #56
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 Piccolo was stronger than Nail after training at king kai's. Yamcha most likely made similar gains to Piccolo, so I'd say he probably got to like 40,000, making him capable of taking Vegeta out with ease.
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+ Pyrus Aug 4 2011, 11:45 PM Post #57
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Not the same level, but to assume a guy taking hits from people with over 300 M in power level and assuming that his power level is under 10 M is ridiculous; even if they were holding back. Its like saying king vegeta (10 k) could of handled taking hits from freiza (500 K+)in first form and still get back up, which is false.

If Freeza is holding back, then of course he could.
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Piccolo beating android 20 isn't power hax. Its power level relation.

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Android 20 < Android 19.

#20 was stronger than #19.
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The relation in series is that they are comparable, having a somewhat rival relationship in power, in which vegeta is much stronger of the two. Using freiza saga as example...Piccolo is over 1 M, vegeta 2.4 M. It was even stated piccolo is was as strong as a SSJ during the android saga by gohan so he's not super weak, and it can be explained logically since he was training with Goku (SSJ) for 3 years.

I don't disagree with this, but what does it have to do with the humans being so strong just because they survived hits from the Cell kids? Tenshinhan survived a kick from Gotenks-Boo, so by this logic, he must be REALLY powerful, even though he's not.
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Cocoman Aug 4 2011, 11:58 PM Post #58
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Badabing!

 Regarding the Buutenks kick vs Tien, I think I explained my Tien hax theory to you :P

It seems like Buutenks was bragging about knocking him out in one kick meaning that;

1. He had to be reasonably strong.
2. Buutenks put force behind the kick.
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+ Pyrus Aug 5 2011, 12:01 AM Post #59
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 I still don't think it meant anything other than "that guy was supposed to be strong like the others, but he got whooped too".
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Cocoman Aug 5 2011, 12:12 AM Post #60
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I still don't think it meant anything other than "that guy was supposed to be strong like the others, but he got whooped too".
Well none the less, he bragged. It is still a power assessment.
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