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| Qwuall | Mar 17 2010, 05:11 AM Post #16 |
 
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Wow I would never have thought that people would actually diss the humans this much. They had enormous potential that people fail to see. When they were kids they all kept up with goku, ish. Ranging from 50% to equaling him. When Nappa came they had all increased there power by about 7-8 times in just one year. Then they did "more intense" training at king kai's then what goku had done. They then trained for 3 years, and since the plot called for them all to become stronger, we can assume they increased a huge amount more. an example of why I think this Frieza 1-5% was so fast no one could see him during their, including piccolo. After, once they were all watching Goku and Frieza, they were still having troubles seeing what was going on. It was all a blur to them. Now later when 19 and Goku are fighting, Tien and krillin can both keep up with the action and quite easily.This iindicates to me they're both over the one/two milliion mark for sure. Yamcha is usually 65-75% the strength of the other two humans. The rule of DBZ is the stronger you become, the more powerful you can become faster. This is the case for everyone. The only difference between the saiyans and everone else is they got there silly zenkai boosts during their stay on namek. But every character has a limitless potential. Edited by Qwuall, Mar 17 2010, 05:12 AM.
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| * Psyam | Mar 17 2010, 11:32 AM Post #17 |
 
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I agree with Qwuall, the humans had a lot of potential. Krillin was only a child and able to keep up with Kid Goku. That is phenominal. It was really only the Zenkai's, gravity training and transformations that put the Saiyans leagues ahead. He makes an excellent point about the humans being able to keep up with #19 Vs. Goku. I'll give this to Yamcha. You guys forget that Yamcha went from being as strong as he was at the start of Dragonball Z to being stronger then Raditz, a SAIYAN. He was easily beating the Saibaman until it self-destructed. He increased his power at least 10x in one year of training on Earth. Goku couldn't do that in Dragonball lol. He probably increased it more then 10x again (Heck, just getting used to the gravity would do that much) just on King Kai's planet, not to mention training for the Androids...he'd easily be above 18,000 which is roughly what Vegeta's power level was when he arrived on Namek. Also, video kinda related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzek54BGv_8 |
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| Cooler | Mar 17 2010, 01:54 PM Post #18 |
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I see the humans beating anyone up till Captain Ginyu he and anyone stronger squashes them, so Yamcha takes this and quite easily at that. This is a Yamcha who had trained with King Kai for over a year + 3 years of Earth bound training on top of that. Vegeta doesn't stand a chance unless he goes Oozaru in which case if Yamcha isn't careful he gets flattened. |
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| Joshua | Mar 19 2010, 06:56 AM Post #19 |
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Yeah I agree. It's one think if Yamcha was a saiyan or if Vegeta was a human, but the saiyans are just to superior. Nothing against Yamcha. He's a pretty cool dude. lol Not to mention he's not that great of a fighter. ~Xicor |
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| Violent By Design | Mar 24 2010, 06:47 AM Post #20 |
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I don't think Vegeta would stand a chance against Yamcha in this scenario. If Yamcha were weaker than Vegeta at the beginning of the series, then I seriously doubt Yamcha would have bothered to come out to fight the Androids at all. Some may say that Vegeta has a better moveset than Yamacha, I disagree. Vegeta's all about over powering people with high impact beams, Yamcha has been trained by the likes of Roshi, Karin, Kami & King Kai so in terms of technique I would give it to Yamcha. Also since their power levels are comparable (to be honest I still think Yamcha is a decent amount more powerful than Saiyan Saga Vegeta) then his Spirit Ball would prob whoop Vegeta really bad. Like someone else said, the humans increased their PL's dramatically when they were waiting for Vegeta and Nappa to arrive. All the humans prior to that went from not being able to even give Radditz a decent fight to becoming stronger than him in one year. Yamcha had trained at King Kai's planet for a long time, then got a few more years of training when he was wished back. I seriously don't see how Vegeta would be comparable in terms of strength. Edited by Violent By Design, Mar 24 2010, 06:49 AM.
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| Tenks | Apr 21 2010, 03:53 AM Post #21 |
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I'm a little biased but I'm going with Yamcha, other than the fact that he has a lot of moves to counter Vegeta's but he also has his emotions to draw on. Vegeta at that point was a Saiyan through and through, he didn't value emotions and thought they were weak. However, Yamcha gets sad, he feels sorrow and loss which are things he can draw upon. There is also the fact of Bulma, I'm pretty sure there is an episode where he tries training under 100 times Earth's gravity or something similar only to be squashed but all in an attempt to win Bulma back. If I was Yamcha I would be pretty angry if someone took the girl I loved from me, this coupled with his never say die mentality would make for a pretty good match. Plus, Vegeta would underestimate Yamcha in the beginning of the fight simply because he's human. |
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| deploy | May 7 2010, 11:29 PM Post #22 |
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First Vegeta On earth his powerlevel was about 18K. On namek when he fought Cui the scouter broke somewhere above 22K, but he still was no match for Zarbon, after he was beat up and healed he defeated Zarbon without much trouble. Even so, he had no chance of winning against Recoome, though he did well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luLVrIpNpmk - part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_URrNdGAMo - part 2 On the other hand, Yamcha. As seen in the anime (I don't know what happens it the manga), while Yamcha, Tien and Chaotzu ware training on King Kai's planet, they faced the ginyu force, the way I see it, Yamcha was dominating Recoome, if not, then they're at least equal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9VCds6H2nk&feature=related If you add three more years training to prepare for the androids. I'd say that Yamcha (android saga) is far superior to Vegeta (saiyan saga), unless Vegeta transforms into the Great Ape, which as stated by Vegeta increases his power 10 times, but I'd still bet on Yamcha to win |
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| Gokulio | May 8 2010, 06:45 PM Post #23 |
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Yamcha because on King Kai's planet they had a cheesy fight with the Ginyu Force and whipped their butts. Vegeta wouldn't have been able to touch the Ginyu Force in the Saiyan saga.
Edited by Gokulio, May 8 2010, 06:50 PM.
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| Violent By Design | May 10 2010, 06:09 AM Post #24 |
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To add some food for thought on the past 2 post. The scene with Yamcha beating up the Rikkume is only exclusive to the original anime adaption. In the manga and in Dragonball Kai that never happened. |
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| deploy | May 10 2010, 12:50 PM Post #25 |
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I know that. I just didn't want to echo what was previously said.
So, there is no reason for that filler to be considered false. |
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| Violent By Design | May 10 2010, 05:32 PM Post #26 |
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That's apples and oranges really. No one implied that they didn't get any stronger by the Cell Saga. The time frame from when Earth's Special Forces fight the Ginyu Force is too tight for it to be even believable. Also, what happened in the filler obviously cannot be used as a source if we were to discuss the manga or Dragonball Kai. It would be no different then utilizing a fan fiction as canon. |
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| Warrior-Elite | May 28 2010, 05:21 PM Post #27 |
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i think vegeta |
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| + Pelador | May 28 2010, 05:40 PM Post #28 |
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Would you care to elaborate on that? |
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May 28 2010, 11:27 PM Post #29 |
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Well assuming Yamcha at least managed to stay within Tien's dust, he could probably beat Vegeta by that time. Let's have a look at something here. Two extraordinarily, ridiculously powerful techniques in DBZ are: Spirit Bomb - Tri Beam I'm excluding Death Beam and Destructo Disc because I only want to factor power and force into account rather than just razor sharp, solid energies' effects on unprotected, undefended skin. So what do we know about the history of these two ultra powerful techniques? They're capable of destroying, if not wounding stronger opponents than the user most importantly. The Spirit Bomb can kill stronger fighters like Kid Buu, and it can also wound much stronger fighters like (Saiyan Saga) Vegeta and (Frieza Saga) Frieza. That means, these strong attacks are irregularly powerful, but with bounds. Tien improved by the time the Saiyan Saga came around. His Tri Beam attack is undoubtedly the most powerful (or at least most impressive) technique in all of DBZ. The Tien we know isn't even on par with a super saiyan, let alone Cell in his Semi-Perfect form. That's why I'm saying he got a lot stronger since the last time we saw him in action. The Spirit Bomb can defeat opponents who are stronger, but not by leaps and bounds like that Tri Beam did to Cell. We just don't know how much stronger Tien got, but my lord. He managed to hold Semi-Perfect Cell down with that attack. Power level and strength is everything in DBZ. I just don't think Tien could have been a useless pile-of-trash weakling to hold down a fighter like that, even with the greatest technique. We've seen fighters absorb attacks from just -slightly- weaker opponents, and not even flinch; but laugh instead. We also know about how the humans multiplied their strength to embrace the saiyans. This, paired with Yamcha's similar (but not quite on par) strength to Tien's and Tien's ability to hurt Semi-Perfect Cell, has led me to believe that Yamcha could indeed have surpassed Vegeta. Comparing Tien with Saiyan Saga Vegeta: I don't think Vegeta from the saiyan saga could have hurt Semi-Perfect Cell with an attack that was even twice as strong as the Tri Beam. |
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| deploy | May 29 2010, 07:41 AM Post #30 |
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How about this: When Goku arrived at King Kai's planet, his power level was much lower comparing to Yamcha's when he arrived. Which is obvious since Raditz=Saibamen and Yamcha did much better against Saibamen (IMO he is stronger than Saibamen), while Goku was far weaker than Raditz. Furthermore, Goku trained with King Kai for only half a year (and look how stronger he got  ), but Yamcha trained for one whole year. Plus, Yamcha trained three more years (preparing for the androids).I just don't see Vegeta winning this fight. |
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