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| Kid Buu vs Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed); The Battle of the Buus | |
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| Emperor Cold | Mar 6 2010, 07:46 AM Post #16 |
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Those are all dub lines, none of that is ever said in the manga. And technically, the only Boo Goku fought before Kid Boo was Fat Boo, and that was basically a sparring match. So the fight against Kid Boo would've been the toughest so far. And when Goku said Boo was increasing when he was reverting, this was probably referring to his brief reversion to Buff Boo (his form after absorbing the Southern Kaioshin). And while Buff Boo is probably not as strong as Super Boo, Buff does not have as much control of his power, making him appear stronger.\ Also, your power levels are way, way off. Freeza's second form was 1,000,000. I think his final form's power was around 60,000,000. There is no way for anyone to accurately measure any of the Boos' power level, it's just way too insanely high. And Boo was not just getting techniques out of the absorbtions, he was gaining their strength and their mental capabilities. After he absorbed Gotenks, he didn't beat Gohan because of techniques, he plainly became stronger and faster than Gohan. And Gohan was much stronger and faster than Super Boo, so this is concrete evidence that absorbtions increase his strength. And even if there wasn't a big power difference (which I highly doubt), Boohan was quite intelligent. Kid Boo was incredibly stupid. For example, if he knew instant transmission, why didn't he just teleport behind Goku after he threw the spirit bomb? So, if Boohan has a clear advantage in power as well as intellect, I just can't see any possible way for Kid Boo to win. |
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| Cooler | Mar 6 2010, 06:25 PM Post #17 |
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Full Power SSJ3 Goku is at best equal to Kid Buu, Goku needing his full power to destroy Kid Buu is a reference to a ki amplifying technique. Otherwise why would he not power up to 90% then use a Kamehameha to make up the extra power? Unless you think Goku planned to beat Kid Buu to death...Not only that but the idea that Goku wasn't at full power from the beginning of the fight is nothing but a bad dubline its not in the Manga. Goku was at full power from the off trying to finish off Kid Buu he just never had the opportunity to gather his ki and release it. Its not even a certainty that it would be sucessful. Kid Buu never seemed to be taking the fight all that seriously either and I'm sure no one will disagree with me when I say that if Kid Buu decided to hit Goku with a Ki attack like the one that destroyed Earth Goku would be finished. Buuhan > Buutenks > Buff Buu (Kid + South Kai) > Buucolo > Super Buu > Kid Buu >= SSJ3 Goku As for the topic I can't believe the poster is serious...Buuhan would easily beat Kid Buu. While I don't think the difference between Kid Buu and Super Buu is significant Super Buu is superior and if you factor in a fighter who's much stronger then that its overkill... |
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| * Psyam | Mar 8 2010, 01:43 PM Post #18 |
 
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Vegeta said Goku should be capable of destroying Kid Buu, Goku obviously agreed as he attempted to power up. I'll take their word for it. It doesn't matter what technique he would of used to do it. If he could do it then he could do it. Kid Buu wouldn't hit Goku with a huge Ki ball because he's an idiot. He'd also probably take any attack Goku threw at him head on, even if it was a super charged Kamehameha. Kid Buu > Goku in a fist fight yes, but I put FPSSJ3 Goku above Kid Buu because he had the potential to beat Kid Buu, he just couldn't reach full power, so what I'm saying is hypothetically Goku's full Super Saiyan 3 strength is enough to defeat Kid Buu, not that SSJ3 Goku actually could of in that fight, because he hadn't mastered SSJ3 yet. |
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| Cooler | Mar 8 2010, 09:18 PM Post #19 |
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Goku never stated he was 100% certain of beating Kid Buu and its not like he's going to just give up. You forget the first thing Kid Buu did was obliterate the Earth with an insanely large ki ball. I don't see why he wouldn't do that or turn Goku to candy. I don't think SSJ3 can be mastered its just too much of a strain; SSJ3 Goku ki amplified > Kid Buu >= SSJ3 Goku I think its certainly possible that Goku when charged to the max with a technique such as the Kamehameha could defeat Kid Buu but I don't think its a certainty. Goku never stated it was a done deal. Kid Buu recognised the Spirit Bomb as a threat so I think he would avoid a MASSIVE ki attack. |
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| * Lord Cooler | Mar 9 2010, 05:25 AM Post #20 |
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Of course SS3 can be mastered, if SS1 and SS2 can be mastered so can 3. At the end of Z when they are at the tournament i wouldn't mind betting Goku had it mastered by the then, if only we got to see. And as for this debate Buuhan>Kid Buu and that's that. Edited by Lord Cooler, Mar 9 2010, 05:26 AM.
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| The Saiyan Prince Vegeta | Mar 9 2010, 12:18 PM Post #21 |
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O.K I'm here to swallow my pride and admit defeat. I've been looking around, and I found this site- http://www.myfavoritegames.com/dbz/power-levels%28new%29.htm- I'll accept a cancellation of my account for sporting another site if that's not allowed- and I've re-watched the Buu saga, and your right Kid Buu is actually one of the weakest forms, I just really liked this crazed little kid that blew up the earth with no apparent effort, and I assumed that he was the strongest because he was the last of the forms and the ones that the Kai's feared most, but as the above site and others say Buuhan is at around 6 billion PL were Kid Buu is at around 720 million PL there realy is nothing I can agrue with anymore. Damn!!! humble pie stinks! |
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| Cooler | Mar 9 2010, 02:59 PM Post #22 |
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There's no ofcourse about it. SSJ3 is far more draining than SSJ ever was and SSJ2 was never stated to be able to be mastered either. Goku could barely fight for a couple of minutes as a SSJ3 without becoming completely drained and you think he's going to be able to master that in the same way as SSJ? Not a chance. I think he could semi master it but getting to the point where he can stay as a SSJ3 for a whole day, not a chance. The Sayian prince Vegeta; you're looking at a fan made power level list which isn't even close to being accurate. For starters Frieza had a power level of 140 million based on his fight with SSJ Goku so unless Kid Buu is only 5x Frieza's strength (which is absurd if you didn't know) the PL's are wrong. |
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| * Lord Cooler | Mar 10 2010, 12:57 AM Post #23 |
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So your saying you know that Goku had not mastered it at the end of Z? How? We never even got to see so unless you have magical powers that let you see what could have happened in an anime then you have no argument. |
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| Cooler | Mar 10 2010, 11:13 AM Post #24 |
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Says the guy who claims 'Ofcourse Goku mastered SSJ3', considering what we know of SSJ3 it seems logical to assume mastering it would be near impossible. My argument is more logical than yours. But yes we don't know either way. |
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| Joshua | Mar 11 2010, 06:19 AM Post #25 |
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Wow this is an interesting conversation... lol So of all the buus in Dragonball Z, Super Buu Gohan absorbed is the strongest? ~Xicor Edited by Joshua, Mar 11 2010, 06:20 AM.
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| RunSaber | Jun 21 2011, 11:31 AM Post #26 |
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actually... if you want to get technical... kid buu is the strongest form of the buu's >.> there's several reasons for this.. a copy is never as good as the original version... Copies always inherently have greater flaws than the original so in their base forms... the strongest is kid buu, then evil buu, then fat buu. Also, the reason why goku was hiding from super buu is he had just been revived from the spirit world and there is a length of time that people who are just revived need to wait as they regain and adjust back too their living bodies again... until then, they are in a "weakened state" Super buu was interested in killing goku and vegeta right from the start... as he saw them both as serious threats he didn't want to mess around with... out of fear that he'd eventually be overpowered and killed. if he gave goku enough time to recover. evil buu also saw fat buu as a threat to himself... he choose to dodge the attacks... as they could do damage to him.... if he is so powerful, why didn't he just take the blows while kid buu on the other hand... he was fighting goku at full power.... the whole time... he wasn't really taking SS3 goku, SS2 vegeta, or majin buu seriously... he in fact took the hits purposely just to draw out the conflict and cause as much damage and pain to his opponent's as possible. if he were underpowered compared to those 3 ....he would not have wasted so much time in killing them. but he didn't view any of the 3 as real threats. kid buu doesn't require absorbtions... think about it... if super buu absorbed piccolo, gotenks, and gohan... and then kid buu was allowed the same absortions (piccolo, gotenks, and gohan) and they both fought each other. guess who dramatically overpowers the other? it's kid buu, cuz his base form.... is like double the power of what super buu's base form is with those same absorbtions so he'd easily be able to take down super buu. that'd makes kid buu superior: he has natural power which is undiluted. super buu needs absorbtions just to contest kid buu... so that definitely tells you who is the weaker version.. if he had had the opportunity to absorb (gohan, gotenks and piccolo). he would probably be able to overpower or be on equal footing to vegito while a super buu version with those same absorbtions... was still an inferior to vegito.because his actual power is diminished in the super buu form than it is in the kid buu form. plus, the talk about a SS3 goku at full power able to take kid buu couldn't happen... 1 on 1 goku was no match for kid buu. the only thing that can potentially harm him is the spirit bomb and goku requires a certain amount of time to gather up all that energy... in order to use it. in which time, kid buu would either A) pwn goku before he got that chance... B) dodge it C) push it back (he did it when he wasn't at full) D) or shoot his void ball. his void ball destroyed the earth... and goku admitted: "W-W-We We can't stop that!" so if he shot it when goku used the spirit bomb... his void ball would overtake and obliterate goku. If SS3 goku were more powerful than kid buu... he would of just stopped the void ball that destroyed earth *lol* but he couldn't, and it's not likely to have made very much difference with a spirit bomb vs a fully healthy kid buu either |
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| Frostmourne | Jun 21 2011, 06:53 PM Post #27 |
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Super Gohan Buu without even trying. He first of all have Mystic Gohan absorbed who is far stronger than SSJ3 Goku , who is around Kid buu's powerlevel. Mystic Gohan beated Super Buu easly , who is stronger than Kid Buu. Super Gohan Buu wins this easly. Why is Kid Buu weaker? Easy. First , SSJ3 Goku was confident he could beat Kid Buu (Later), who is stronger than Fat Buu. Evil Buu is stronger than him and of course if he absorbs Fat Buu they surpass Kid Buu's powerlevel and imagine , Gotenks + Piccolo + Gohan absorbed which makes him even superior to Kid Buu. Goku also knew that if they would go outa Buu's body (Super Buu) they would get killed. It's so easy to know who's the strongest.IF Kid Buu would be stronger than Super Buu , then he wouldn't get a fair fight against Goku , he would simply crush him.SSJ3 Gotenks who is stronger than SSJ3 Goku , made a good fight against Super Buu. Back to the point , Super Gohan Buu wins. Super Gohan Buu > Super Gotenks Buu > Mystic Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku (Full powered) > Kid Buu > Evil Buu > Fat Buu > Mr Buu Edited by Frostmourne, Jun 21 2011, 07:04 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Jun 21 2011, 07:41 PM Post #28 |
 
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You're already going against stated facts that Fat Boo is stronger than Skinny Boo.
Goku was revived through a different method, so him being in a weakened state doesn't apply.
No. Super Boo didn't see either of them as a threat unless they were fused. Goku stated they would be killed un-fused, and so did Super Boo. There is no denying that.
That's sort of a stupid thing to ask. Skinny Boo was obviously a lot more powerful than Good Boo. Their fight showed that. Good Boo was no threat to Skinny Boo whatsoever. Even the narrator states that.
Goku couldn't reach full power.
He took Goku seriously, otherwise why fight him for so long but not anybody else? The only time he drew out the fight was at the end when Goku was talking to Vegeta, and by then it was apparent that Goku's stamina was falling too quickly while Boo's never took a dip. Kid Boo has no reason and goes on instincts. The only reason he'd fight Goku for so long is because he viewed Goku as a threat. He didn't view the others as a threat, which is why he didn't take them seriously.
Sure, he did.
Uh, no, it's definitely not. Super Boo would merc Kid Boo without hesitation.
All wrong. Super Boo was many-fold stronger than SSj3 Goku, who was stated to be more powerful than Kid Boo. That's all there is to it.
Kid Boo? No. He'd still be a lot weaker than Super Boo.
You're basing this off of nothing.
Is that why Goku got more hits in on Kid Boo than vice versa? Is that why Goku agreed with Vegeta that he could take him out if he reached full power?
And SSj3 Goku and anybody stronger than him. 
Every villain could've done that. Kid Boo isn't special because of that.
He sure didn't try dodging it. Invalid.
Lol, what? When was Kid Boo not at full power? He even had bulging veins and gritted teeth when he was holding the Genki Dama back. You can't honestly say that wasn't him giving it everything he had to stop the attack.
He sure was stupid not to use that then.
Goku didn't have time to power up to Super Saiyan 3 and create an attack large enough to stop Boo's attack. It's that simple.
He didn't have the time to stop it. Using your logic, 70% Freeza was more powerful than SSj Goku because Goku couldn't stop Freeza's Death Ball from penetrating Planet Namek.
What is this talk about a "healthy" Kid Boo? He was always healthy. I don't see when he was "sick." Edited by Pyrus, Jun 21 2011, 07:41 PM.
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| Frostmourne | Jun 21 2011, 08:01 PM Post #29 |
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You're right Kamikaze , but I still wonder , could SSJ3 Goku really defeat Kid Buu if he went all he got , for the kill etc ? |
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| + Pyrus | Jun 21 2011, 08:17 PM Post #30 |
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Vegeta stated it and Goku agreed, so there is no reason to doubt it. |
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