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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 5 2009, 02:29 AM (714 Views) | |
| Maikeru | Dec 5 2009, 02:29 AM Post #1 |
 
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who would win? post your opinions here. |
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| SB2004Z | Dec 5 2009, 05:12 AM Post #2 |
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Super Buu. |
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| * Lord Cooler | Dec 5 2009, 06:24 AM Post #3 |
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Everyone will probably disagree with me but i'm saying Janemba, the way he teleports out of dimension would give him an edge and i think he is stronger then Super Buu. Let the arguments begin lol.
Edited by Lord Cooler, Dec 5 2009, 06:26 AM.
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Dec 5 2009, 08:01 PM Post #4 |
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I've made this VS debate before. We settled with a draw. |
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| GodCell | Dec 6 2009, 03:27 AM Post #5 |
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I believe that Janemba is stronger than base Super Buu but not after he has absorbed other characters. The unfortunate thing about this debate is that Janemba's power was relatively unseen. |
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| * Psyam | Dec 8 2009, 05:37 PM Post #6 |
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This'll seem off-topic at the start, and it's a long read, but please bare with me: Goku thought that Goten and Trunks would definitely be able to beat Fat Buu with no trouble once they fused. He was confident on that. However, Goku didn't know Gotenks would reach the level of Super Saiyan 3, as he was clearly surprised and impressed when he saw them come out of the time chamber at that level. What we can take from this is that Goku must of thought Goten and Trunks would be able to beat Fat Buu just by being a fused Super Saiyan, he didn't expect them to become a Super Saiyan 3, and he didn't think they'd need it to beat Fat Buu. Goku said he could of also probably beat Fat Buu. Probably. We don't know exactly how powerful Fat Buu was as he never showed his full effort before he split into Good and Evil, but if we take what Goku said as roughly accurate and he might of been able to beat Fat Buu as a SSJ3, we should be able to place SSJ Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku at about the same level of power, as both would be able to beat Fat Buu, but probably not without a great deal of effort. If we place SSJ Gotenks (before time chamber) and SSJ3 Goku at roughly the same place, we can accurately compare Super Janemba and Super Saiyan Gotenks. See where I'm going with this yet? Super Janemba did not have a large advantage over Goku in power. Goku was actually overpowering him in close range combat and causing Janemba a great deal of pain, forcing him to use his teleportation. It was Janemba's sword that won him the battle, and even at his best we can only assume Super Janemba to be a little stronger then SSJ3 Goku in terms of power. Super Saiyan Gotenks Vs. Super Janemba would be much like Goku Vs Super Janemba, Gotenks would get some good hits in, but Janemba would probably beat him by teleporting around and manipulating the environment, as he did against Goku. Gotenks might fair better then Goku did, perhaps, but even if he lost it would be largely due to Janemba's techniques, not by being overpowered. We can put Super Janemba a little above Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Super Saiyan Gotenks in power. By now you probably realise what I've about to say next. Super Buu curb-stomped SSJ Gotenks. Gotenks devastated him by catching him off guard with his Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack, but otherwise was unable to pose a threat to Super Buu, who was unaffected by Gotenks attacks and able to break out of his Galactic Donut attack like it was nothing. There's no denying Super Buu outclasses Super Saiyan Gotenks, and remember, this is Gotenks after the Hyperbolic Time Chamber training, which made him even stronger then when Goku said he'd be able to beat Fat Buu. If Super Janemba is only a little stronger then Super Saiyan Gotenks/SSJ3 Goku, and Super Buu effortlessly beat a SSJ Gotenks who had become more powerful from the time chamber training, then Super Buu can be calculated to be far above Super Janemba's power. Add to that his techniques arguably equal or even surpass Janemba's (Absorption, Transfiguration Ray, Regeneration from smoke which Janemba was never shown to be capable of), it's no contest here. Super Buu outclasses Janemba in every way. |
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| * Itagaki Manabu | Dec 8 2009, 05:47 PM Post #7 |
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What Psyam said. |
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| Super Goku | Dec 8 2009, 08:47 PM Post #8 |
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he's right.. I thought AT said that SSJ Gotenks was stronger than SSJ3 Goku. which just further proves the point of Super boo being stronger than Janemba. Also, Super Boo has regeneration his side, and can alter his body shape at will. he has the advantage. Janemba's sword wont help him much. |
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| * Psyam | Dec 9 2009, 09:55 AM Post #9 |
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Aye, Janemba's sword wouldn't do much good against someone like Super Buu, and he's not powerful enough to produce any attack that would completely wipe out Buu, who can regenerate even if all that's left of him is smoke. Also, I forgot to mention that all Super Buu has to do is start shouting at Janemba and he'd be completely helpless. |
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| * Lord Cooler | Dec 10 2009, 06:15 AM Post #10 |
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But is everyone underestimating Janemba's strength he did make little work of Goku and Vegeta, and took Gogeta to take him down. I'll admit he does have a big weakness though when it comes to calling him names, although that didn't help Pikkon much. |
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| Cooler | Dec 10 2009, 02:18 PM Post #11 |
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The difference between Kid Buu and Super Buu is small. Buff Buu which is in reality Kid Buu + South Kai is stronger than Super Buu, Buu's absorptions works by adding the powers of Buu and the victim together. So; Kid Buu + South kai > Super Buu, this means the difference between Kid Buu and Super Buu is less than the power of South Kai. The Supreme Kai stated no Kai had the strength to pull the Z sword from the stone, Gohan did this in SSJ form. So South Kai is around the strength of a SSJ max. Super Buu and Jamemba are probably even strength wise. |
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| * Psyam | Dec 10 2009, 06:13 PM Post #12 |
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I call plot hole on South Kai not pulling out the Z Sword. AT has said that he doesn't think of his stories in advance, he just makes them as he goes along. He probably hadn't even thought of the other Kai's when he introduced the Z Sword. Maybe Gohan was just the one destined to pull it out, like the whole sword in the stone thing, which is I assume what AT based it off. South Kai was putting up a decent fight against Kid Buu, that's probably why Kid Buu absorbed him in the first place. He was said to be the strongest and the burliest of the Kai's, and I kinda got the impression East Kai was the youngest and weakest. He wouldn't have to be that much stronger then East Kai to be stronger then a weakened SSJ1 Gohan... If the difference in power between Super Buu and Kid Buu was less then a Super Saiyan Gohan, then why were Goku and Vegeta so confident to face Kid Buu but terrified of Super Buu? Also, that wouldn't explain how Super Buu could utterly destroy Super Saiyan Gotenks, who is probably stronger then SSJ3 Goku after time chamber training. It just doesn't make much sense, they can't just pull Good Buu out of Super Buu and only have him lose such a small amount of power. Good Buu put up a decent fight against Kid Buu, how could he do that if he was weaker then a SSJ1 Gohan? His attacks wouldn't of even flinched him and he would of gone down in one hit, just like SSJ1 Gohan did against Fat Buu. It's just too big of a thing to say all that just because of South Kai not pulling out the Z Sword, when there's so much against it and we know that Akira Toriyama doesn't plan out his stories. Furthermore there could be any number of reasons South Kai never tried. |
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| Cooler | Dec 10 2009, 06:32 PM Post #13 |
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Well we never saw the South Kai vs Kid Buu fight in the anime so its unclear how strong he is, strength was mentioned in regards to the kais being unable to pull the Z sword so I tend to think South Kai wasn't that strong. It was stated that all the Kai's tried to remove it, I see no reason why South Kai would be exempt. Even if he was as strong as is he is the anime he'd still be slightly less than Kid Buu/SSJ3 Goku which means Super Buu is less than double SSJ3 Goku's strength and I'd still place Jamemba at his level. East Kai was shocked and in awe of the strength the suppressed Saiyans showed I doubt South Kai was at SSJ2 level, there's nothing which points to him being a Buu arc top tier fighter. The Kai's are all that strong, the difference between Kid Buu and Super Buu is just the Kai's Buu absorbed neither of which were that strong. That alone puts a cap on the power advantage Super Buu has over Kid Buu, also bare in mind that Dai Kaio's influence still weakens Super Buu to some degree. That is why; Kid Buu + 1 Kai > Kid Buu + 2 Kai's or Buff Buu > Super Buu. Goku stated he needed everything he had to stand a chance against Kid Buu. This is further backed up by him needing 100% full power before he could attempt to take him out. This implies a full power kamehamhea because we know that technique amplifies ki so theoretically Goku could charge to 70% then the kamehameha could take him up to 100%. But he couldn't do that he needed all 100% of his strength, with that in mind we know Kid Buu is on the threshold of what Goku can handle. If Super Buu is even slightly stronger Goku wouldn't be able to finish him off. Good Buu in the manga got beaten badly by Kid Buu, he got 1 proper hit in which was a surprise headbutt, he shot a ki blast and used his antena to shake off Kid Buu who was strangling him. If not for his regeneration I think Good Buu would have done worse than Vegeta he never demonstrated much strength at all. As for SSJ Gotenks equalling or being superior to SSJ3 Goku thats a highly debatable subject in my opinion. The only way to gauge SSJ Gotenks strength is through a few statements, I tend to think of him as weaker than SSJ3 Goku pre or post ROSAT training. |
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| * Psyam | Dec 10 2009, 07:15 PM Post #14 |
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If Good Buu was only SSJ1 weakened Gohan level he would of gone down in one hit against Kid Buu, and his head-butt wouldn't of phased Kid Buu, but it did. Vegeta got stomped on and he was a Super Saiyan 2, and a stronger Saiyan then Gohan...Good Buu would be too weak to even do what he did in that fight if he was only weak SSJ1 level. Didn't his "Ki Blast" blast half of Kid Buu's body clean off? And his antenna throw Kid Buu into the ground? SSJ1 Gohan couldn't do that, his attacks didn't even phase Fat Buu if you recall. If South Kai was as strong as he was in the anime then Super Buu would be able to defeat Kid Buu without even being hurt. If South Kai was nearly Kid Buu/SSJ3 Goku level he'd almost double Kid Buu's power once absorbed, minus some due to the fat Kai's influence, but even so he'd probably be a good 70-80% stronger then Kid Buu, and even 10% difference is enough to easily win a fight (Kaioken Goku Vs. Vegeta, 16,000 Vs. 18,000 yet Vegeta was easily winning) and 20% enough to effortlessly defeat your opponent (Vegeta Vs. Dodoria, Vegeta Vs. Zarbon). I was assuming South Kai wasn't quite that strong, but definitely much stronger then a SSJ1 Gohan who was weaker in the Buu Saga. Goku said Gotenks could beat Fat Buu before the time chamber training, just as a Super Saiyan. I would see beating Fat Buu as pushing the limit of Goku's power if he was even truly capable of it at all. I think pre-time chamber Gotenks would only be slightly weaker then SSJ3 Goku, and post-time chamber quite a lot stronger. Even if post-training Gotenks was still weaker then SSJ3 Goku, it would have to be by a SIGNIFICANT amount for Super Buu to thrash Gotenks the way he did and yet still only be slightly stronger then Kid Buu. By saying that you're saying that Kid Buu would also beat Super Saiyan Gotenks the way Super Buu did, and how is that possible when a much weaker pre-time chamber Gotenks should of been capable of destroying Fat Buu? Fat Buu and Kid Buu could be seen as being roughly close to each other (Kid Buu being a much more ruthless fighter), but Super Buu is just on a whole other level. |
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