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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 4 2009, 10:51 PM (1,131 Views) | |
| * Mitas | Dec 4 2009, 10:51 PM Post #1 |
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Well the groups for the 2010 World Cup have been announced so this seems like the time to put up a thread for all you football-loving members to discuss the upcoming tournament with predictions, expectations, talking about teams, players, news etc. Here's the groups: Group A South Africa Mexico Uruguay France Group B Argentina Nigeria South Korea Greece Group C England United States Algeria Slovenia Group D Germany Australia Serbia Ghana Group E Holland Denmark Japan Cameroon Group F Italy Paraguay New Zealand Slovakia Group G Brazil North Korea Ivory Coast Portugal Group H Spain Switzerland Honduras Chile |
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| * Itagaki Manabu | Dec 4 2009, 11:10 PM Post #2 |
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Sick group for England. I hope Ivory Coast Play well so Portugal dont get through. I want to know The chart for after the groups to see who we can be up against. My Predictions: Group A France Mexico/South Africa (leaning to Mexico More) Group B Argentina Greece Group C England United States Group D Germany Australia Group E Holland Denmark/Japan/Cameroon (Not to sure about this one, Cameroon or Denmark I think, but Japan might play well) Group F Italy Paraguay Group G Brazil Ivory Coast/Portugal (Hoping Ivory Cost) Group H Spain Switzerland Edited by Itagaki Manabu, Dec 4 2009, 11:16 PM.
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| * Mitas | Dec 4 2009, 11:29 PM Post #3 |
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If you wikipedia 'World Cup 2010' you get the groups and chart and stuff that shows who plays who. My predictions: Group A: France have gotta be top. They'll turn around their recent poor performances to surprise critics, much to Ireland's dismay. I'll go for South Africa for 2nd. I think only one host nation hasn't made it out of the Group Stages, and South Africa did ok in the Confederations. Group B: Argentina will walk the group. It's a free-for-all for 2nd spot, all the teams are equally bad. Greece are shocking, but as we saw in Euro 2004 they can spring a surprise. However I'll say South Korea. Group C: England got a lucky draw here, we should win every game. USA should be too good for Algeria and Slovenia although I wouldn't put it past either of them pulling an upset and nabbing 2nd. Group D: Germany will be their usual solid selves despite a poor run in the qualifiers. I think Australia will finish bottom. Ghana will get 2nd, they have a good team with some good youngsters (they recently won the under-20 World Cup). Serbia are a good team, but won't do enough to get 2nd. Group E: Holland won't dissapoint like they usually do. I'd place them amongst the top favourites for the tournament. This is the hardest group to predict, but Japan does it for me. Group F: Italy will get top spot and Paraguay will be a close 2nd. New Zealand won't get a win, possibly a draw against Slovakia. Group G: Brazil and Portugal. Brazil are immense and will be doubly determined after their early exit last time round. Ivory Coast are another strong African team, but Portugal with Ronaldo will be too much for them. However if Ronaldo is injured, Ivory Coast will edge it. North Korea could be a surprise package, but I wouldn't bet on it. Group H: Spain are the best team in the world at the moment and will destroy this group (they always seem to get easy groups). Switzerland suck lol I'll go for Honduras. |
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| * Itagaki Manabu | Dec 6 2009, 12:33 AM Post #4 |
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Greece arnt a bad team and are much better than South Korea. Ghana will give Aussie a run for there money but Serbia wont lol. Ivory Coast are proberbly the best african tema imo, they have Drogba, their other striker is quite good as well, cant remember his name, THey have Kolo Toure and the other Toure and Eboue. Ive never heard of Honduras haha |
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| * Sousen Ichimonji | Dec 6 2009, 01:34 PM Post #5 |
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My predictions, based on a limited knowledge of football: Group A: Mexico + South Africa Group B: Argentina + Greece Group C: England + (I honestly can't even guess lol) Group D: Germany + Australia Group E: Holland + Denmark Group F: Italy + Paraguay Group G: Brazil + Portugal Group H: Spain + Chile (for no reason lol). Edited by Sousen Ichimonji, Dec 6 2009, 01:34 PM.
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| * Mitas | Dec 6 2009, 02:59 PM Post #6 |
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Greece suck. They had the eaiest group to qualify from. I mean Latvia fiished 3rd, 3 points behind them, and Switzerland finished top. The only thing they have going for them is a defensively built team so they'll be hard to break down. South Korea are better than Greece. They had a relatively hard group, well for them at least. They had Saudi Arabia and Iran, as well as North Korea who are an unknown entity. They have some good players; Park from Man U, Chung-Yong from Bolton and Chu-Young from Monaco. They'll make it out of the group. I'd put Nigeria above Greece too, with Martins, Yakubu and Yobo.
Serbia are a solidly built team that have a lot of strength. They have Vidic at the back who is also a prominent scorer from set-pieces, which is important at the World Cup. Stankovic i a good player as well as Zigic up front.
I agree with this, although I'd put Ghana as a close second. Muntari, Essien and Appiah are an awesome midfield trio.
They've got Palacios who's awesome. Figueroa'as a good defender (at Wigan). David Suazo up front is pretty good too. |
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| Tim | Dec 7 2009, 11:40 AM Post #7 |
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Meh, i'm still picking for NZ to get through, or at least get a win!! As far as the others go i'll have to wait and see as my knowledge of soccer players is a llittle limited :P However I will also support Aus in this and I hope they may actually have a bit of a chance ^^; ~Tim |
  
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| Mc Esse | Dec 10 2009, 08:27 PM Post #8 |
 
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Group A 1. Mexico 2. South Africa 3. France 4.Uruguay Group B 1.Argentina 2.Greece 3.Nigeria 4. S. Korea Group C 1.England 2.USA 3.Slovenia 4.Algeria Group D 1.Germany 2.Ghana 3.Serbia 4.Australia Group E 1.Netherlands 2.Denmark 3.Cameroon 4.Japan Group F 1.Italy 2.Slovakia 3.Paraguay 4.Worst Team in the World Cup Group G 1.Portugal 2. Brazil 3. Cote d'Ivoire 4. N. Korea Group H 1.Spain 2.Swizterland 3.Chile 4. Honduras Second Round Mexico > Greece England > Ghana Netherlands > Slovakia Portugal > Switzerland South Africa > Argentina USA > Germany Italy > Denmark Spain > Brazil Quarter Final England > Mexico Netherlands > Portugal USA > South Africa Italy > Spain Semi Final England > Netherlands Italy > USA Third Place USA > Netherlands Final Round England > Italy ENGLAND WINS THE 2010 WORLD CUP Comments to come later. |
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| * Mitas | Dec 10 2009, 10:17 PM Post #9 |
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I don't agree with a lot of those predictions, but I can't be bothered to go through every little difference. I'll just stick to a couple. USA will be lucky to get past the first knockout rounds, let alone into the Semis. They'll most likely match up against Germany and they'll have no chance. England won't win; I think they'll get to the Semis. It's most likely that they'll come up against Brazil or Holland and I don't think they have enough to overcome either of them. I agree that Italy will meet Spain in the quarters, but they won't beat them. Italy aren't the team they used to be and Spain are the best team in the world right now. I can't believe you have South Africa beating Argentina, no way in hell. |
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| Mc Esse | Dec 10 2009, 10:56 PM Post #10 |
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I disagree with alot that you just said Mitas, first of all you are a disgrace. Sorry to say that, but someone should put you on a boat with pilgrims for saying this. Just kidding Mitas, lol are we good?
Do I even have to argue about this one? What does Holland and Brazil have that will overcome the English? How could you diss your own team?
How did Korea beat Spain and Italy in 2002? There's your answer. We're in for another racket lmao.
sure, but they defeated the Spaniards last year were up 2-0 against Brazil. The only reason they lost that match was because of their lack of experience. Wasn't it nice to see all those Spaniards crying over USA's win, making up excuses about the loss when clearly the better team won. USA is a good team, good teams go far.
The spaniards are to weak to beat the bigger Italian team. Who have just as much striking power in Di Natale and Gilardino to match Spain's exceptional attacking force. Not to mention the best defense in the world. I don't think Italy will beat England though. England is a much better scorer than Italy with a much stronger physique. Who needs a world class defense when you play as rough as the English. If anything England will steam roll over Spain and Holland, with the caliber of names and power they posses. Edited by Mc Esse, Dec 10 2009, 10:58 PM.
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| Tim | Dec 10 2009, 11:06 PM Post #11 |
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Fix'd I think NZ will surprise you all!!  Though I do think England do actually have a rather good chance  ~Tim |
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| * Mitas | Dec 10 2009, 11:19 PM Post #12 |
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I'm a disgrace for saying my nation won't win the World Cup? I don't think it's disgraceful to be realistic and not biased towards England winning just because I'm English. Sure I hope we win, and I believe that we can get far, but I don't think we have what it takes to win. We never do. Every year it's our "best chance to win it since '66" or "this is the Golden Generation of players, how can we lose" and we always fall short. But yeah we're good.
I diss my own team because I'm not blinded by my support. I'm not ignorant enough to believe we are the best team in the tournament just because I'm English. It's clear that there are multiple teams better than us. Our qualifying group was one of the easiest and because we walked it, like we should be, it's created a false image of how good we are. As for what Brazil and Holland have? Brazil have a better team. They also have the experience (which you stated as important when saying USA lost because they didn't have it). On second thought I think Holland and England are evenly matched and it could go either way.
Sure they have home advantage, but they'll need more than that to beat Argentina. They have a poor squad. Their best player is Piennar, who is good, but McCarthy can't get into the Blackburn line-up and hasn't been the scoring threat he was a few years ago. They also don't have Guus Hiddink as a manager which I believe is just as big a reason why South Korea got as far as they did.
Spain being too 'weak' is a poor argument and an even poorer stereotype. Torres, Alonso and Fabregas have shown in the Premiership that they can hang with the tough guys. Spain are the prime example of how a 'weaker' team physically can no longer be pushed around by bigger teams. Spain move the ball around brilliantly and if Italy think they can bruise their way to victory then they'll just get players booked and sent-off. Also, Italy have nowhere near the attacking talent to compare with Spain. Torres, Villa, Xavi, Iniesta, Silva. Just off the top of my head.
Again you place too much emphasis on 'strength' and 'power'. Also, again you use a stereotype of the English being rough. We're not that rough. Sure we're determined and strong, but not rough. But I do think England are better than Italy. |
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| Mc Esse | Dec 10 2009, 11:33 PM Post #13 |
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Brazil had.. much more experience than USA. USA had barely any! England has alot of experience playing with great and international teams!
Rackets, not home field advantage. No talent can win the power of the dollar. Ask the great Spain who could have won in 02 but got robbed by the dollar.
Gilardino, Di Natale, Del Pierro, Rossi, De Rossi, Amauri, + their amazing defense. Unless Villa can outrun the big and talented Italian defense, he will get crushed. Italy have changed their game plan in reccent years. Classical Italian play was, gracefull coonservative passes in the back end. Recently that changed as they have become a muscle machine. Now the dives are being given, not taken. 
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| * Mitas | Dec 10 2009, 11:47 PM Post #14 |
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Villa is arguably the best striker in the world, second only to Torres. They both play for Spain. Not only that, but they have a great partnership. They can destroy any defence. Who cares if they're stronger than them? Both Villa and Torres have the pace to run the Italian defence ragged whilst they have the passing skills of Xavi, Iniesta, Alonso and Fabregas to open the holes. Against Spain, Italy would have to play counter-attacking football because Spain would have all the possession, and Italy don't have the players to play counter-attack. They're too old a team and don't have the pace. And to suggest that the referees can be bought is ludicrous. Doesn't even deserve a debate. It's the World Cup, the biggest stage in football. |
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| * Light | Dec 11 2009, 12:06 PM Post #15 |
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I think Spain will go out early. They've always had the underachievers title but now they're going into their first big tournament as one of the favourites if not the favourite which I think rather than a positive will end up harming them. I think they'll slip up early on. They have an amazing team but everyone knows this and there media will be relentless. Though this isn't slighting the team, it's amazing, easily the best attack and midfield of the whole tournament, maybe best keeper too. Edited by Light, Dec 11 2009, 12:16 PM.
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