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Prayer
Topic Started: Nov 12 2009, 08:30 PM (95 Views)
Kotetsu	Nov 12 2009, 08:30 PM Post #1
SOUPER SAYIN THREE Posts: 6,113 Group: Admin Adviser Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Favourite Anime Naruto What Browser do you use? Firefox, anything else is for failures. Favourite Manga Naruto Shippuuden, Straight from Japan.	It is a conceived truth among all religious people that prayer is a direct line to their god. A god will answer the prayer in the form of yes no and maybe. The first problem with prayer is that the God can not be wrong. If he answers with a yes, then it was a miracle and God is good. If he answers with a no, then the person assumes that, That is not what god wanted of your life and has a better plan. A generous outlook on the situation if you will. If he has not answered yet, it is a maybe. And therefore could or could not happen. This cycle of prayer answering is infallible and causes the pray"er" to believe that continuing to pray will void similar good results every time. The truth could not be any more wrong. This leads me to the second problem of prayer. Prayer is mystical. Meaning it's general psuedo-science. Quote: Pseudoscience is a methodology, belief, or practice that is claimed to be scientific, or that is made to appear to be scientific, but which does not adhere to an appropriate scientific methodology, lacks supporting evidence or plausibility, or otherwise lacks scientific status. On average, people who pray do not look at the statistics of prayer. They also do not view prayer as infallible. This causes them to look beyond the bigger picture when praying and understanding the natural world of cause and effect. For example. Subject A gains a small brain tumor. Regular health science would automatically say that the person has a 32% chance of it being a bad situation in where the cancer cells spread. Tumors have been known to dissipate with Chemo-therapy using radiation. They have also been known to dissipate on their own due to the bodies natural disposition of conquering unknown objects. However subject A's family prays for him. Subject A gets better and the tumor goes away. The family suggests that prayer was the solution to solving the tumors dissipation. That couldn't be further from the truth. The family looks past the fact that Surgeons and doctors worked their butt off to make Subject A better. Cause and effect. If prayer solves problems, then why are some problems unsolvable by prayer? If a god does exist, then his method of prayer and mysticism would be absolute. However Amputees still are missing arms and legs. How come we don't pray for amputees to magically grow their legs back? If we can pray for tumors to dissipate, then we can surely pray for legs to grow back right? If I pray to god to grow my arm back. God will not answer the prayer with yes or maybe. The answer will be no. God does not have the power to make my arm grow back. Therefore in the physical world god does not have any power. And to be honest, what else is there besides the physical world? Therefore God does not exist. The only thing that matters in this world to you and me is what you do for yourself and the people around you. Actually solving a problem yourself is a million times more effective than praying to god to solve it for you.
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+ green_480	Nov 14 2009, 11:09 PM Post #2
you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain Posts: 1,859 Group: Elite Member Member #1,181 Joined: February 25, 2006	From my point of view god has already determined the physical world, so anything that happens in the physical work already have a predetermined result. What you said about someone praying to god to grow back their arm, that particular situation has already been for seen and the results of the situation have already been determined. "therefore in the physical world god does not have any power"-I've been staring at this for like 5 minutes, and i'm just not sure if that's true or not.
	Men, on the other hand, tend to do the job properly when they crash, and as a result cost their insurance companies a lot more money. Your right I'm a murderer; i kill people with a smile on my face, my parents say "what a disgrace" "get outta my face"...yet I walk away...with a smile on my face "If tall guys have this mystical advantage in jumping, then why to the tallest players in the NBA have the lowest verticals? Yao Ming can't jump over an egg roll" -it's so funny i had to put it in my sig


Kotetsu	Nov 16 2009, 02:00 AM Post #3
SOUPER SAYIN THREE Posts: 6,113 Group: Admin Adviser Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Favourite Anime Naruto What Browser do you use? Firefox, anything else is for failures. Favourite Manga Naruto Shippuuden, Straight from Japan.	green_480 Nov 14 2009, 11:09 PM From my point of view god has already determined the physical world, so anything that happens in the physical work already have a predetermined result. What you said about someone praying to god to grow back their arm, that particular situation has already been for seen and the results of the situation have already been determined. There's nothing anywhere that states that everything in our lives is predetermined. In fact if you state that god has already determined the physical world then you also must agree that anything that goes wrong is a result of gods predetermined physical world. Examples of this are nuclear war, hurricanes, earthquakes, and hate crimes. You are saying that god wills these things, well he must if it is predetermined. What you just said about the arm is a looping statement. It can't be proven wrong because you made it up, pretty much on the spot. Quote: "therefore in the physical world god does not have any power"-I've been staring at this for like 5 minutes, and i'm just not sure if that's true or not. Well if you can prove it, be sure to post a picture ok? Edited by Kotetsu, Nov 16 2009, 02:00 AM.
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sunate	Nov 16 2009, 05:39 AM Post #4
Je pale francais et toi? Posts: 615 Group: Donator Member #3,481 Joined: June 16, 2008 Favourite Anime Eureka 7 What Browser do you use? enternet explorer	I see this ending in failure... Prayer is only a means to give people somthing to hope for or a reason why things happen. "God is great god is good let us thank him for the good". Guess we should thank him for the bad things to right? I mean it would only be the right thing to do.
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+ green_480	Nov 17 2009, 02:17 PM Post #5
you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain Posts: 1,859 Group: Elite Member Member #1,181 Joined: February 25, 2006	Kotetsu Nov 16 2009, 02:00 AM green_480 Nov 14 2009, 11:09 PM What you said about someone praying to god to grow back their arm, that particular situation has already been for seen and the results of the situation have already been determined. There's nothing anywhere that states that everything in our lives is predetermined. In fact if you state that god has already determined the physical world then you also must agree that anything that goes wrong is a result of gods predetermined physical world. Examples of this are nuclear war, hurricanes, earthquakes, and hate crimes. You are saying that god wills these things, well he must if it is predetermined. What you just said about the arm is a looping statement. It can't be proven wrong because you made it up, pretty much on the spot. Quote: "therefore in the physical world god does not have any power"-I've been staring at this for like 5 minutes, and i'm just not sure if that's true or not. Well if you can prove it, be sure to post a picture ok? I didn't say our lives are predetermined (that's what i get for making short post with little detail). When i said that god has already determined the physical world, i mean it more from a scientific point of view. Chemicals will react a certain way with other chemicals; when you throw something up it will come back down; the human body can only do so much... Back tot he loss of an arm example, i said the situation has already been seen. Well if god exist, god is said to be all knowing and all powerful, therefore god knows everything that has, is, and will happen. God already saw that the guy was going to lose his arm and the physical world has already been determined so the result of the lost arm is that it will not grow back. This line is wrong, it should say "determined" not predetermined at the end Spoiler: click to toggle From my point of view god has already determined the physical world, so anything that happens in the physical work already have a predetermined result. My idea is that god has determined our lives/given us limitations, but has not predetermined us so certain events will occur. Side Note: I've already done a paper on determinism a while back, but i completely ignored the religious determinism part, so i'm taking advantage of this to explore the ideas of this topic. In reality i think the question of, does god exist or not needs to be answered/proven before any of this other stuff should be proven.
	Men, on the other hand, tend to do the job properly when they crash, and as a result cost their insurance companies a lot more money. Your right I'm a murderer; i kill people with a smile on my face, my parents say "what a disgrace" "get outta my face"...yet I walk away...with a smile on my face "If tall guys have this mystical advantage in jumping, then why to the tallest players in the NBA have the lowest verticals? Yao Ming can't jump over an egg roll" -it's so funny i had to put it in my sig


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