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| Meowth | Nov 12 2009, 04:46 PM Post #16 |
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Try reading my posts, I am not going to repeat myself, it's not my fault you aren't willing to even consider other opinions other than your own.What makes his life worth less than your life? Murder isn't a reason to commit murder, how does that phrase go, two wrongs don't make a right, something like that isn't it. Sure people might feel better but that doesn't make it right. So yes, you do need to say more. Edited by Meowth, Nov 12 2009, 04:50 PM.
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| Mc Esse | Nov 12 2009, 07:44 PM Post #17 |
 
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Wait.. I keep hearing about this on the news. I remeber when he was sniping in Washington a few years ago. They just caught him now? I thought they caught him a few years ago lol. I remeber they were interviewing hockey players and basketball players from the Capitals and Wizards, and they were *****ting in their pants on TV talking about this guy. |
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| Rockman | Nov 12 2009, 08:13 PM Post #18 |
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Sometimes the only way to stop a person from murdering is to end their life. A good example of this was in Texas the other day. Are you going to ask him politely to put the guns down after he's already killed 13 people? No. You are going to shoot him back if you have the gun. |
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| Meowth | Nov 12 2009, 11:19 PM Post #19 |
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You lock them up? That's a pretty good way of stoping them getting a gun and killing innocent people again, leave them in the hands of other criminals if you have a thirst for blood, but those people are all ready murderers, why make someone else commit murder just to please the barbaric population. Shooting someone there and then as a means of self defence would be acceptable, but it would be better to shoot them to only prevent them from shooting further so they can be brought to justice, not executed. No wonder socity can't move on, some countries still see the need for the death penelty as well as invite people to watch, anyone who enjoys seeing someone put to death, regardless of what they have done, are sick and twisted people, it's disgraceful. I am appled that anyone should think they have the right to decide who lives and who dies. |
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| * Psyam | Nov 12 2009, 11:24 PM Post #20 |
 
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Have to agree with Kyonko on this one, that the death penalty isn't necessarily the right thing. Some prisons may be too lax and not a real punishment, but killing him gave him an easy way out. They should lock people like this up in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives, or until they go insane. That would be a far worse punishment if you really want justice. I suppose killing them gets them out of the way, but it still lets him get away with it. He probably didn't even care about dieing. One moment of pain and then eternal rest, compared to endless years of prison. I think prison would be far worse. Edited by Psyam, Nov 12 2009, 11:29 PM.
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| * -Zero- | Nov 13 2009, 08:06 PM Post #21 |
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The moment he killed a lot of people was the moment his life became less worthy than those who do not kill. I have to disagree with Kyonko because he's talking like those people that kill have the same rights as those that don't at life. Is it fair for the people they killed for someone to think they are as important as the rest that don't? I do not think so. I do agree with the death penalty being a easy way out to them, which is why i wish they would re open those really really bad prisons where all they will get is beat up and treated liket the animals t he y are even by the guards. deprive them of daylight, deprive them of sleep. I don't feel bad for those that deserve it |
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| Meowth | Nov 13 2009, 08:31 PM Post #22 |
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You fail to see that all you are doing by killing them is giving them an easy way out, they will no longer have to think about what they have done and in some cases, the thought of being put to death is more of a reward, some of them feel that what they have done is for the greater good and they, in their minds, are willing to die for the greater good. Like terrotists, they have no problem with being executed and yet several nations, America for example, still think people are put off by the death penalty, the last hanging in the UK was in 1964 or around that time, now I'm pretty sure murders haven't dramatically rose here, if atall. Most western countries have abolished the death penalty as well to my knowladge, but America once again proves to be culturally retarded. No one has the right to choose who lives and who dies, as I have said (maybe you didn't read), murderer or not, all it accomplishes is a barbaric sense of satisfaction, no good comes of it, and again as I have said, those who idolise people like this will think they are a better person once they gain publicity for being executed. The death penalty does nothing but immortalise that person. And again, I stress this point because people lack reading skills. That person is never going to have to live with what they have done once they have been executed. Does that make sense? Losing your freedom for the rest of your life is much worse than being put to death before you even get a chance to think about what you have done. Not to mention, some people are put to death and then proved innocent, not in this case no, but sometimes. There's no way to bring an innocent person back to life, so therefor, the executioner should be sentanced to death and all the officers on the case should be charged with conspiricy to commit murder, right? If not, it's not jusice, they let an innocent person die. The death penalty is not only stupid but flawed. |
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Then you are more cruel. I would just put them out of their misery, and get their scum ball ***** out of here. We don't have infinite space for inmates. The death penalty is necessary. They go to the ground, where we have suitable room for them. |
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| Meowth | Nov 14 2009, 12:12 AM Post #24 |
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Locking them up so they have to think about what they have done is justice, they are getting what they deserve, killing them is an easy way out. By saying is cruel to lock them up means it's worse for them to think about what they have done than the actual crime itself, which it isn't, in comparison, locking them up would never match up to the suffering they caused, killing someone they loved would match up to an extent but wouldn't be right, so clearly, you can't do that. Also, there is plenty of ocean for water prisons to be built on, as well as a lot of hard labour that people aren't willing to do. If the death penalty is so great, why does it kill innocent people? |
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| * Sousen Ichimonji | Nov 14 2009, 12:26 AM Post #25 |
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I would agree, but unfortunately this contemplation takes place with taxpayers money, within increasingly less unpleasant facilities (in Scotland at least), and of coure there are those without any remorse for their actions. I agree that the Death Penalty is a barbaric solution, but that's why it is typically applied only to the members of society that are deemed the most barbaric by the judicial system. There will always be miscarriages of justice; if a man is found guity and is detained for 15 years before he is proved innocent, then that would be equally devestating than the death penaty, in my eyes a least. |
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| Meowth | Nov 14 2009, 12:40 AM Post #26 |
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Not in the eyes of a family, if someone I knew was sent to jail wrongly, there would be a chance to get them back, if they have been put to death, I could never get them back. The death penalty is an outdated punishment, that's why most modernised countries have gotten rid of it, it doesn't put people off commiting murder, America is a good example of that, people still kill even with the threat of being executed. And the death penalty also costs tax payers money, so what public money is going towards is nothing more than murder. PS: There is no cure for death. |
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| * Sousen Ichimonji | Nov 14 2009, 12:55 AM Post #27 |
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There is also no cure for fifteen years of life stolen from you in the case of a mistake. As you said earlier, the death penalty is an easy way out. And in the case of being wrongly imprisoned or being killed by the state, the death penalty is the easy way out. I'm not an expert, but aren't inmates in death row often held for years? Surely that gives them plenty of time to feel remorse for their crimes. But is remorse all we expect from criminals to atone for their crimes? |
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We need more prisons for this to happen. |
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| SlyStrife | Nov 14 2009, 06:44 AM Post #29 |
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Well, I can see that we have a nice heated debate going on here. I had to do a term paper on the death penalty a few years ago so I have a pretty solid opinion on it. For the most part I'm half and half, sure it shouldn't be the solution for every murder case and so on... but I think that there are times when it should be deemed appropriate. I used to want to be a forensic science major so I've seen a lot of nasty stuff, and some of these things that people have done are so horrible that the death penalty is really the only appropriate thing to do. Seeing pictures of authentic murder scenes might really leave you with a different opinion Kyonko, some of these acts are so vile that they should in no way be forgiven. You also say that murderers being locked in solitary confinement would be a worse punishment than death since they would have to think about their actions and so on... and while I mostly agree with you on that; what about the people that just downright enjoy killing? What about those people that never feel remorse for their actions and just think of killing as a past time? You really want people like that to have a second chance? As far as I'm concerned people like that made their choice when they decided to go down that road, they knew full well what they were going to face if they were caught, so it's their own fault. Edited by SlyStrife, Nov 14 2009, 06:45 AM.
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| * -Zero- | Nov 14 2009, 08:42 AM Post #30 |
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Kyonko I do not fail to see the point, I have mentioned numerous times that death is the easy way out for them. What I disagreed with you was the fact that you spoke as if a killer example like Sadam's life is as important as anyone else that has done good, i do not agree with that. His life is a lot less valuable than many other lifes |
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