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Frieza vs. Pui Pui; Who Wins
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Nanho	Jan 16 2013, 04:16 PM Post #121
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	Tien Shinhan Jan 16 2013, 03:57 PM Nanho Jan 16 2013, 03:55 PM Tien Shinhan Jan 16 2013, 03:46 PM Nanho Jan 16 2013, 03:41 PM Clearin Jan 16 2013, 03:36 PM Kaioshin did underestimate Vegeta but he knows that Vegeta is Goku's rival, and he has already admitted inferiority to Goku. Goku > Vegeta > Puipui > Goku (Kaioshin Expected) > Kaioshin Where is it stated he knows vegeta is gokus rival? And when did he admit ''inferiorty'' to goku? Chapter: 462 (DBZ 268), P7.5 Kaioshin: “…In-in this case…If I had known that there were people like you guys, who though human greatly surpassed my power…Th-there would have been that other method too…” I looking through the Manga and doesnt saying anything like this during and before there time on babidis ship..but I remember him saying this after they left. Its a FACT. I looked it up, He says that way after buu is released. Nice try... Edited by Nanho, Jan 16 2013, 04:17 PM.



Zenet	Jan 16 2013, 04:25 PM Post #122
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Nanho Jan 16 2013, 03:31 PM Quote: I think Pui Pui has this, as Kaio-shin was completely unintimidated by the idea of Freeza but was shocked to see Pui Pui. Kaioshin wasn't shocked to see Pui Pui. he was only shocked to see vegeta stepping up to fight him by himself, which leads to the only possible conclusion, which is, he underestimated vegeta. he probably assumed vegeta was somewhere around his saiyan saga powerlevel or just above it. Its really hard to say how strong pui pui even is,no one says anything about him. And the only thing that we have been said in relation to his power, is Pui Pui stating that he was born on a planet with 10x gravity and Kai saying ''dont underestimate babidi he has strong fighters'' to vegeta when he stepped up to fight PuiPui. Kai doesnt even seem to attempt sensing Pui Pui power level or ''energy''. Base Vegeta in Buu arc is at least ASSJ Vegeta in cell saga so pui pui could be around semi cell while the supreme kai is a bit under that also there’s proof that the SSJ multiplier decreased to x2 in the buu saga so Base vegeta way ahead of firzea isn’t as ridiculous as you might think.



Nanho	Jan 16 2013, 04:31 PM Post #123
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	Quote: Base Vegeta in Buu arc is at least ASSJ Vegeta in cell saga so pui pui could be around semi cell while the supreme kai is a bit under that also there’s proof that the SSJ multiplier decreased to x2 in the buu saga so Base vegeta way ahead of firzea isn’t as ridiculous as you might think. such an increase in such a small time? Anyways, I dont see how this adds to the argument. Vegetas power was suppressed.. Edited by Nanho, Jan 16 2013, 04:33 PM.



Alex D. Boss	Jan 16 2013, 06:09 PM Post #124
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Proof that Frieza > Kaioshin > Pui Pui then.



Nanho	Jan 16 2013, 06:33 PM Post #125
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	Tien Shinhan Jan 16 2013, 06:09 PM Proof that Frieza > Kaioshin > Pui Pui then. There isnt any proof for Kaioshin> Pui Pui nor i there proof for Pui Pui >Kai And there doesnt need to be one(I think he was more of a joke character really, a ''one-shot character'' if you may).The answer is a logical one: AT made frieza the strongest in the universe so any other villian from the universe is weaker by default. Edited by Nanho, Jan 16 2013, 06:33 PM.



~~GridZero~~	Jan 16 2013, 06:34 PM Post #126
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	No proof for Pui Pui > Kaioshin? You're blindly refusing evidence then. Many quotes have been provided. Even though Kaioshin was scared of Babidi's magic, he didn't dare to face Pui Pui alone despite being powerful enough to oneshot Freeza.



Nanho	Jan 16 2013, 06:46 PM Post #127
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	BukLau Jan 16 2013, 06:34 PM No proof for Pui Pui > Kaioshin? You're blindly refusing evidence then. Many quotes have been provided. Even though Kaioshin was scared of Babidi's magic, he didn't dare to face Pui Pui alone despite being powerful enough to oneshot Freeza. Many quotes for Pui > Kaioshin? where? And you need to understand the type of character Kaioshin is; Hes not a headstrong character like the saiyans, for one. Edited by Nanho, Jan 16 2013, 06:46 PM.



Alex D. Boss	Jan 16 2013, 06:49 PM Post #128
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Nanho Jan 16 2013, 06:46 PM BukLau Jan 16 2013, 06:34 PM No proof for Pui Pui > Kaioshin? You're blindly refusing evidence then. Many quotes have been provided. Even though Kaioshin was scared of Babidi's magic, he didn't dare to face Pui Pui alone despite being powerful enough to oneshot Freeza. Many quotes for Pui > Kaioshin? where? And you need to understand the type of character Kaioshin is; Hes not a headstrong character like the saiyans, for one. But he is stronger than that Trash weak Frieza you love so much



Nanho	Jan 16 2013, 07:55 PM Post #129
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	Tien Shinhan Jan 16 2013, 06:49 PM Nanho Jan 16 2013, 06:46 PM BukLau Jan 16 2013, 06:34 PM No proof for Pui Pui > Kaioshin? You're blindly refusing evidence then. Many quotes have been provided. Even though Kaioshin was scared of Babidi's magic, he didn't dare to face Pui Pui alone despite being powerful enough to oneshot Freeza. Many quotes for Pui > Kaioshin? where? And you need to understand the type of character Kaioshin is; Hes not a headstrong character like the saiyans, for one. But he is stronger than that Trash weak Frieza you love so much I said headstrong; Hes not going to just jump in a fight arrogantly, without first properly analyzing his opponent. Pui Pui could have been a weak foe with very effective/powerfull technique, like Yokan for example. His knowledge and fear of babidis magic basically clouded his judgment and made him too cautious. Edited by Nanho, Jan 16 2013, 08:36 PM.



Mike XL	Jan 16 2013, 08:00 PM Post #130
Posts: 1,181 Group: Member Member #8,239 Joined: September 4, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Gundam Seed, Death Note, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho	Kaioshin seems to get a lot of things wrong. He underestimates the Sayians, even in their base form. Pui Pui also gets excited at 10X gravity, something that was childs play for base Sayian Saga Goku, with a PL under 10,000. There is also the possibility of Kaioshin speaking of 1st form Freiza, he never even needed to transform into his second form under the fight with Vegeta/Gohan/Krillen. And even if the Kaioshins could one shot Max Freiza, they could likely one shot Pui Pui. If you consider all of those possibilities with the fact that Kaioshin isn't a very reliable gauge of power, a good argument could be made for Freiza being stronger. I think solid arguments can be made for both guys, and also for the possibility of them being comparable in power.



Nanho	Jan 16 2013, 08:10 PM Post #131
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	Quote: Kaioshin seems to get a lot of things wrong. He underestimates the Sayians, even in their base form. Pui Pui also gets excited at 10X gravity, something that was childs play for base Sayian Saga Goku, with a PL under 10,000. There is also the possibility of Kaioshin speaking of 1st form Freiza, he never even needed to transform into his second form under the fight with Vegeta/Gohan/Krillen. And even if the Kaioshins could one shot Max Freiza, they could likely one shot Pui Pui. Yeah I was thinking that my self. Also if you look at how the stages are arranged it makes perfect sense for him to be a lot weaker. stage 1 a replica of the saiyan saga main foe; saiyan saga vegeta ~/> Pui Pui stage 2 frieza saga; Frieza~/> Yokan stage 3A replica of the cell saga main foe; Cell ~/> Dabura Edited by Nanho, Jan 16 2013, 08:12 PM.



Zenet	Jan 16 2013, 08:32 PM Post #132
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Nanho Jan 16 2013, 08:10 PM Quote: Kaioshin seems to get a lot of things wrong. He underestimates the Sayians, even in their base form. Pui Pui also gets excited at 10X gravity, something that was childs play for base Sayian Saga Goku, with a PL under 10,000. There is also the possibility of Kaioshin speaking of 1st form Freiza, he never even needed to transform into his second form under the fight with Vegeta/Gohan/Krillen. And even if the Kaioshins could one shot Max Freiza, they could likely one shot Pui Pui. Yeah I was thinking that my self. Also if you look at how the stages are arranged it makes perfect sense for him to be a lot weaker. stage 1 a replica of the saiyan saga main foe; saiyan saga vegeta ~/> Pui Pui stage 2 frieza saga; Frieza~/> Yokan stage 3A replica of the cell saga main foe; Cell ~/> Dabura Supreme Kai was talking about the strongest form of frizea. Also remember that characters get stronger as the series progress so it wouldn’t make sense for pui pui to be that low. and in the magna suprme kai says he doesn’t want to fight he thinks he would lose. Base Goku / Base Vegeta > Pui Pui > Supreme kai



Nanho	Jan 16 2013, 08:41 PM Post #133
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	Quote: Supreme Kai was talking about the strongest form of frizea. That wasn't stated in the manga. Quote: Also remember that characters get stronger as the series progress so it wouldn’t make sense for pui pui to be that low. and in the magna suprme kai says he doesn’t want to fight he thinks he would lose. By this logic, this would be correct: Dabura> Yokan> pui pui > cell and kid buu >buuhan> buutenks also supreme kai never said anything about not wanting to fight anyone.. Edited by Nanho, Jan 16 2013, 08:46 PM.



+ Pyrus	Jan 16 2013, 08:49 PM Post #134
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	When people rely on the gravity argument for Pui-Pui, it makes my inner demon laugh uncontrollably. It's quite pathetic. Nanho That wasn't stated in the manga. Then you need to take a course in progressive narrative. Quote: By this logic, this would be correct: Dabura> Yokan> pui pui > cell and kid buu >buuhan> buutenks All of those were explained, i.e. contradicted. Quote: also supreme kai never said anything about not wanting to fight anyone.. He wondered why Vegeta was fighting Pui-Pui alone. He outright said they needed to gang up on Yakon. He would've rather killed himself than fought Dabura.
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Zenet	Jan 16 2013, 08:55 PM Post #135
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Nanho Jan 16 2013, 08:41 PM Quote: Supreme Kai was talking about the strongest form of frizea. That wasn't stated in the manga. Quote: Also remember that characters get stronger as the series progress so it wouldn’t make sense for pui pui to be that low. and in the magna suprme kai says he doesn’t want to fight he thinks he would lose. By this logic, this would be correct: Dabura> Yokan> pui pui > cell and kid buu >buuhan> buutenks also supreme kai never said anything about not wanting to fight anyone.. But woulndt it make sense that the kai was talking about the strongest form of frizea than the weakest. also the kai was scared of pui pui. Edited by Zenet, Jan 16 2013, 09:00 PM.



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