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Frieza vs. Pui Pui; Who Wins
Topic Started: Nov 2 2009, 02:04 AM (15,600 Views)
Cal
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Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 16 2013, 03:44 AM
For someone who was basically trolling, Cal was pretty good at it. He'd be great at debating seriously given him actually reading the whole manga and whatnot. Scary!
Thanks man I really appreciate that.

To be honest because I'm an elitist I would read the manga if I thought I could be the best debater here but it's not likely for me to get passed you, Kyouka, Grid, Brofist, etc so I don't bother.

I'm more focused on beating out Copy_Ninja with Naruto knowledge considering he's the only one who can be considered far above me here. Still have a long way to go there too though, but I will pass him eventually!

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On another note and on topic I wonder how much the Majin boost Pui Pui got affected Supreme Kais's judgement of his power? Would be interesting to know considering Kai does know that Babadi can control them and make them stronger.


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I think that kioshin is just pretty dumb for a god, he was just use to looking over one quadrant and watching every thing is just to much for him. I don't really believe that kioshin is weaker than base goku because piccolo was so scared to fight him, if he's that weak shorly piccolo could've beaten him, unless piccolo was just so shocked that the grand Kai (supreme kai)was there and he didn't want to fight some one so honorable.
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Jan 16 2013, 03:35 AM
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Jan 16 2013, 03:19 AM
Btw, I'm I the only one here that has a problem with the layout of the forum (black background, white letters). Its kidda irritating. Maybe its just something I need to get to though.
You can change that, bottom of the screen.
Man, thanks. It was really pissing me off. :lol:

I have another problem though, the quotes being below the message box instead of above. anyway I can alter that manually?
I'd just do it manually in the 'full reply screen'. there's a quote button at the top, and you can shift stuff around.
Yeah, thats what I do, but its very uncomfortable.
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Jan 16 2013, 03:54 AM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 16 2013, 03:44 AM
For someone who was basically trolling, Cal was pretty good at it. He'd be great at debating seriously given him actually reading the whole manga and whatnot. Scary!
Thanks man I really appreciate that.

To be honest because I'm an elitist I would read the manga if I thought I could be the best debater here but it's not likely for me to get passed you, Kyouka, Grid, Brofist, etc so I don't bother.

I'm more focused on beating out Copy_Ninja with Naruto knowledge considering he's the only one who can be considered far above me here. Still have a long way to go there too though, but I will pass him eventually!

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On another note and on topic I wonder how much the Majin boost Pui Pui got affected Supreme Kais's judgement of his power? Would be interesting to know considering Kai does know that Babadi can control them and make them stronger.
Well, he was more scared of the magic than scared of the actual power it presented. He pooped his pants at it, but in reality, East Kaioshin's ki sensing abilities are non existent.

Dabura has flawed ki sensing abilities, Babidi's ki sensing abilities are garbage, and Kaioshin cannot sense at all.
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I'm not sure Babidi can sense Ki at all, he has to rely on the Kiri meter, which also suggests Dabura can't sense Ki either. Dabura does mention that they have marvellous energy, but since they were all suppressed at that time I'm not sure he was sensing their actual battle power.

As for Kaioshin, I think he does point out SSj2 Gohan being extremely strong, but after that seems to lose the ability altogether.
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There are actually at least a few instances proving that Kaiosh**ts can sense, such as-

Chapter: 474 (DBZ 280), P7.8, P8.1-2
Context: after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan 3
Gohan: “”Th-this ki…Don’t tell me…it’s father?...No…It’s not…”
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s right…It’s Son Goku…! Th-this truly is absolutely incredible energy…”
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Yeah, I was about to edit and say that Babidi might not have ki sensing abilities at all.

Dabura can sense...something, but this thread might go 20+ pages if we try and figure out what.
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Jan 16 2013, 04:05 AM
There are actually at least a few instances proving that Kaiosh**ts can sense, such as-

Chapter: 474 (DBZ 280), P7.8, P8.1-2
Context: after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan 3
Gohan: “”Th-this ki…Don’t tell me…it’s father?...No…It’s not…”
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s right…It’s Son Goku…! Th-this truly is absolutely incredible energy…”
Wow, seriously?

Thank you, Boo Saga.

Inconsistency Central.
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Babidi and Dabura likely can't sense. When they speak of the Saiyans, they're constantly using terms similar to "looks like it", and "seems like it", etc. Besides, if they could sense, why keep a device to gauge chi?

As for how big PeePee's boost might've been, it probably doesn't matter greatly as Babidi just cares for those who are the strongest, not those who have the most potential. The Majin boost is likely an added bonus, more effective tools are always better anyways.
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Yeah but i'm about to go on a tangent...

Supremem Kai was scared of magic and Babidi's dad right? He had never met the son had he (even though they both hated each other).

I mean by Buu's character in Super and Kid forms I would have a hard time thinking Badibi could control them anyway, however apparently his father was able to (at least long enough to tame him and destroy some kais and solar systems) and thus I think Supreme might of overestimated Babidi and therefor all of his power/abilities to start with thinking they were on par with his father.

lol hell idk but this topic is fun
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Dabura's gotta be able to sense something, but I think overall, he's not sensing ki as the Z Fighters do.

He's sensing this "energy" crap that Kaioshin, Kibito and even himself are all talking about.

They never even refer to it as ki.
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Jan 16 2013, 04:05 AM
There are actually at least a few instances proving that Kaiosh**ts can sense, such as-

Chapter: 474 (DBZ 280), P7.8, P8.1-2
Context: after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan 3
Gohan: “”Th-this ki…Don’t tell me…it’s father?...No…It’s not…”
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s right…It’s Son Goku…! Th-this truly is absolutely incredible energy…”
It's funny that Kaioshin could tell that it was Goku but Gohan couldn't. Maybe Gohan just couldn't believe his father could achieve that much power or something while Kaioshin was entirely open to it after the events in Babidi's ship.
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Jan 16 2013, 04:16 AM
Yeah but i'm about to go on a tangent...

Supremem Kai was scared of magic and Babidi's dad right? He had never met the son had he (even though they both hated each other).

I mean by Buu's character in Super and Kid forms I would have a hard time thinking Badibi could control them anyway, however apparently his father was able to (at least long enough to tame him and destroy some kais and solar systems) and thus I think Supreme might of overestimated Babidi and therefor all of his power/abilities to start with thinking they were on par with his father.

lol hell idk but this topic is fun
He was only really scared of the magic.

Babidi and Bobidi are trash to Kaioshin without it.
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Jan 16 2013, 04:17 AM
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Jan 16 2013, 04:05 AM
There are actually at least a few instances proving that Kaiosh**ts can sense, such as-

Chapter: 474 (DBZ 280), P7.8, P8.1-2
Context: after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan 3
Gohan: “”Th-this ki…Don’t tell me…it’s father?...No…It’s not…”
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s right…It’s Son Goku…! Th-this truly is absolutely incredible energy…”
It's funny that Kaioshin could tell that it was Goku but Gohan couldn't. Maybe Gohan just couldn't believe his father could achieve that much power or something while Kaioshin was entirely open to it after the events in Babidi's ship.
Doesn't Kaioshin have the power to see Earth like King Kai? I'm not sure if that was ever proven, I just assumed since they were both Gods.
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@Griddie: Yeah, pretty sure Kaioshin even outright says that it isn't Babidi he's worried about, but the bastard's magic.

Feel free to go on tangents Cal, they make things more interesting instead of just "diz dood winz".

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Ja found it.

Chapter: 446 (DBZ 252), P1.5
Goku: “Is he strong?...”
Kaioshin: “He uses troublesome magic, but his power itself shouldn’t be anything special. His father Bibidi was like that…”

Chapter: 447 (DBZ 253), P4.3
Kaioshin: “…He really is completely powerless, but he uses fearsome magic, so you absolutely must not make light of him…He’s good enough to make even Dabra into his underling”
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