Callie

Jan 16 2013, 12:14 AM

Allow me to bring fourth enlightenment and knowledge to all brave eyes who ever come across this rare, yet virtually priceless post.

Frieza would stomp Pui Pui and very easily in my opinion.

The best argument in the 10X gravity one obviously. 10X gravity has NEVER in the series affected an opponent who has a PL above 3,000. Yet when they went there we all knew the base saiyans would be fine there (even though Gohan has never trained in intense gravity before besides the one instant in Hyperbolic Time Chamber). This proves that once you get so powerful (whether the estimate of 3,000PL is correct or not) that level is simply below you.

Now we know Frieza probably has been in 10x gravity, yet the saiyans were smart enough to know they still couldn't overthrow him or they would just end up die trying (like they did). So, this all predicts that Pui Pui, Babidi, and Supreme Kai all overestimated Pui Pui more than they underestimated the saiyans.

Callie

 

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Next it's a pretty solid argument that Cell is > Dabura. Now we know the chain goes like this on Babidi's ship:

Dabura > Yakon > Pui Pui

After witnessing only one warrior fight Pui Pui and defeat him without even being injured they took what they considered to be a giant step in defeating them with Yakon.

In volume 38 Dabura says: Yakon should be able to defeat them ALL and EASILY and Babidi agrees. They've yet again overestimated their fighters. As you know after even giving him the home field advantage Goku simply outsmarts him and Gohan says: 'This guy will be no problem for dad' before the fight even starts and Gohan had no idea SSJ3 even existed..

Next you have Dabura's fight. Dabura states after Pui Pui loses that it doesn't matter because eventually they will all lose to him. Vegeta and Goku state however that he shouldn't be a problem if you just avoid his hax (stone spit). You know how it went... Dabura was having trouble with a SSJ1 (more than likely) Gohan who ahdn't trained in forever and was weaker than he was when he fought Cell.

So power chain that is most logical at the time:

Goku >~ Vegeta > Dabura >~ Gohan >>>>>Frieza>>Yakon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pui Pui (with his amazing 10X gravity feat)

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Callie

 

This isn't even mentioning Frieza has better hax and is more intelligent. Frieza was able to deduce that Goku was the one who defeated the Ginyu Force and even knew after they initially clashed that Goku was still holding back a lot of reserves for later on.

Frieza's breathing in space, surviving despite some of his body being torn off in space after an explosion that blew up an entire planet, planet busting skills, etc are all in his corner. Pui Pui has the fact that he thinks 10X gravity is too much for someone to handle and he'll win by default...

Oh and I'm gonna slap anyone who references what Supreme Kai says. That dude was wrong 90% of the time he opened his mouth in the arc. As a matter of fact I could probably post his comments and use it to support my argument considering he is always wrong.

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Lol , do I need to debate with this noob? He is giving arguments like its a fact LMAO.

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Do you ever watched the series or read a manga?

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Kaioshin stated that Babidi's henchmans are fearful and dangerous.

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Kaioshin wants to gang up against Pui Pui , since he knows can't go H2H.

K.O.A.N Antirebel

Jan 16 2013, 02:31 AM

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Jan 16 2013, 12:14 AM

Allow me to bring fourth enlightenment and knowledge to all brave eyes who ever come across this rare, yet virtually priceless post.

Frieza would stomp Pui Pui and very easily in my opinion.

The best argument in the 10X gravity one obviously. 10X gravity has NEVER in the series affected an opponent who has a PL above 3,000. Yet when they went there we all knew the base saiyans would be fine there (even though Gohan has never trained in intense gravity before besides the one instant in Hyperbolic Time Chamber). This proves that once you get so powerful (whether the estimate of 3,000PL is correct or not) that level is simply below you.

Now we know Frieza probably has been in 10x gravity, yet the saiyans were smart enough to know they still couldn't overthrow him or they would just end up die trying (like they did). So, this all predicts that Pui Pui, Babidi, and Supreme Kai all overestimated Pui Pui more than they underestimated the saiyans.

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8495474&t=8366358

See bottom

Callie

 

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Next it's a pretty solid argument that Cell is > Dabura. Now we know the chain goes like this on Babidi's ship:

Dabura > Yakon > Pui Pui

After witnessing only one warrior fight Pui Pui and defeat him without even being injured they took what they considered to be a giant step in defeating them with Yakon.

In volume 38 Dabura says: Yakon should be able to defeat them ALL and EASILY and Babidi agrees. They've yet again overestimated their fighters. As you know after even giving him the home field advantage Goku simply outsmarts him and Gohan says: 'This guy will be no problem for dad' before the fight even starts and Gohan had no idea SSJ3 even existed..

Next you have Dabura's fight. Dabura states after Pui Pui loses that it doesn't matter because eventually they will all lose to him. Vegeta and Goku state however that he shouldn't be a problem if you just avoid his hax (stone spit). You know how it went... Dabura was having trouble with a SSJ1 (more than likely) Gohan who ahdn't trained in forever and was weaker than he was when he fought Cell.

So power chain that is most logical at the time:

Goku >~ Vegeta > Dabura >~ Gohan >>>>>Frieza>>Yakon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pui Pui (with his amazing 10X gravity feat)

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Not quite sure what this has to do w/ Freeza and Pui-Pui, so I'll ignore this for now

Callie

 

This isn't even mentioning Frieza has better hax and is more intelligent. Frieza was able to deduce that Goku was the one who defeated the Ginyu Force and even knew after they initially clashed that Goku was still holding back a lot of reserves for later on.

Frieza's breathing in space, surviving despite some of his body being torn off in space after an explosion that blew up an entire planet, planet busting skills, etc are all in his corner. Pui Pui has the fact that he thinks 10X gravity is too much for someone to handle and he'll win by default...

Oh and I'm gonna slap anyone who references what Supreme Kai says. That dude was wrong 90% of the time he opened his mouth in the arc. As a matter of fact I could probably post his comments and use it to support my argument considering he is always wrong.

Statements are correct unless contradicted.

SLAP ME

BukLau

Jan 16 2013, 02:42 AM

Can you disprove Kaioshin's statement about him being >>> Freeza?

Quotes, please.

BukLau

Jan 16 2013, 02:48 AM

Huh.

I have no time for these games.

I'll leave it to Clearin.

Although I'm not sure he's realized exactly what's going on in this thread yet.

Peace.

BukLau

Jan 16 2013, 02:48 AM

Huh.

I have no time for these games.

I'll leave it to Clearin.

Although I'm not sure he's realized exactly what's going on in this thread yet.

Peace.

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Chapter: 449 (DBZ 255), P5.2
Kaioshin: “You mustn’t underestimate your opponent! Babidi gathers only strong warriors from everywhere and makes them his allies!”
This is the same Kaioshin who calls Frieza Trash. He calls Babidi's minions as strong warriors.

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Chapter: 449 (DBZ 255), P4.6
Context: talking about facing Vegeta alone.
Pui-Pui: “Fuhihihihi…Lord Babidi told me to be careful since these guys have strong energy, but it looks like they’re just a bunch of morons…”
Note: Pui-Pui was told to be careful about the Saiyans, implying, that what Dabra and Babidi felt from them would be enough to make it a difficult fight for Pui-Pui, if he wasn't careful.

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We know that Kaioshin admits to Goku and the others that they are stronger than himself. As Babidi knows that those saiyans are something else compared to Kaioshin , ( another fact )

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Kaioshin couldn't believe his eyes that 1 single Saiyan could defeat Pui Pui as he couldn't handle himself , that shows Vegeta >>> Pui Pui > Kaioshin

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Jan 16 2013, 02:40 AM

Finally someone worth debating, it's been a while...

Firstly it may not be exactly linear but you would be a fool to not admit it makes you stronger and that extent is pretty large. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to explain how Goku was able to train on the ship with basic exercises and get so much stronger as well as all other instances where it's simply used to get stronger.

My point here is not the gravity itself but the amount of it in proportion to the Earth. 10Xs to be exact. If we were talking at least 50 then I would agree with you, and I overall agree with your viewpoint but I'm not so much of an idiot to brush off 10x when compared to 100x when the likely solution for your example would be the dramatic effects of such intense gravity not the fact that there is simply more.

Understand?

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Statements are correct unless contradicted?

I agree with that premise in a very general way. However the whole presence of the Supreme Kai was that he was ALWAYS wrong when judging PL. Do you agree or disagree with that? I could give you the manga chaps....but I doubt you need them..

K.O.A.N Antirebel

Jan 16 2013, 03:10 AM

justinbieber_hairflip.gif

Jan 16 2013, 02:40 AM

Finally someone worth debating, it's been a while...

Firstly it may not be exactly linear but you would be a fool to not admit it makes you stronger and that extent is pretty large. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to explain how Goku was able to train on the ship with basic exercises and get so much stronger as well as all other instances where it's simply used to get stronger.

My point here is not the gravity itself but the amount of it in proportion to the Earth. 10Xs to be exact. If we were talking at least 50 then I would agree with you, and I overall agree with your viewpoint but I'm not so much of an idiot to brush off 10x when compared to 100x when the likely solution for your example would be the dramatic effects of such intense gravity not the fact that there is simply more.

Understand?

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Statements are correct unless contradicted?

I agree with that premise in a very general way. However the whole presence of the Supreme Kai was that he was ALWAYS wrong when judging PL. Do you agree or disagree with that? I could give you the manga chaps....but I doubt you need them..

You've got me there that it doesn't have to be linear. So there goes my gravity argument.

Do you believe Kaioshin < Base Goku?