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| Frieza vs. Pui Pui; Who Wins | |
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| TKSSJ | Nov 2 2009, 02:04 AM Post #1 |
 
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Final Form Frieza Vs. Majin Pui Pui. Who wins this battle |
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Nov 2 2009, 04:43 PM Post #2 |
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They're said to be at the same level. Other than that, there's no indication to how powerful Pui Pui is. How is this determinable? *sigh* Well. I'll take a shot anyway. Pui Pui would win, since they're both at the same level, and he has far more endurance. Pui Pui has the Majin seal, which at times seems to fortify endurance and Ki. Frieza has trouble maintaining his form at maximum power. He wouldn't last. Edited by Dark, Nov 2 2009, 04:44 PM.
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| TKSSJ | Nov 2 2009, 04:48 PM Post #3 |
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That's a fair assumption, it would proberbly come down to endurance, and pui pui is obviously comfortable in his current state. |
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| Cooler | Nov 2 2009, 04:55 PM Post #4 |
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Pui Pui never demonstrated that he was on the level of Frieza, for Vegeta to handle full power Frieza like he did Pui Pui he would have had to have increased his base power by like 100x. I find that a little far fetched, plus Frieza just seems like a much better fighter he also has the ability to destroy a planet and live to tell about it. As far as endurance goes Pui Pui didn't really seem all that impressive, Frieza got cut in half and blasted to the point of death and still survived a planet exploding in his face. Basically Frieza is going to be far more durbable than Pui Pui in any case Majin Seal or not throw in Frieza's various techniques and Pui Pui is dead meat. |
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| TKSSJ | Nov 2 2009, 04:59 PM Post #5 |
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frieza couldn't had beaten base vegeta during the majin saga, he was so far beyond frieza at that point it would have been the same outcome as pui pui, even during the cell games, frieza could,ve been beaten at base levels. then vegeta went into training for 7 straight years, frieza would have looked like he was standing still during a fight at that point. |
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Nov 2 2009, 05:03 PM Post #6 |
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In response to Frieza's techniques, let's pit him against Vegeta at his state when he made toast of Pui Pui. How are they going to matter, if he's killed in seconds? Pui Pui never even got a chance to show his abilities. Frieza's body is durable, but not his energy ratio. It wasn't long before he ran completely out of gas against Goku, although there's speculation that Goku was only flirting around, making him "pay." |
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| TKSSJ | Nov 2 2009, 05:07 PM Post #7 |
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and the super saiyan level was "brand new" at the time so it's safe to say that goku was fighting frieza while learning to control this new power, when frieza came to earth and was destroyed by trunks, trunk was in complete control of his power, hence the effortless destruction of a more powerful form of frieza. |
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| Cooler | Nov 2 2009, 05:08 PM Post #8 |
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I disagree. What are you basing your opinion on exactly? Frieza uses a tiny fraction of his full power easily swatted Vegeta aside, for Vegeta to compare to Frieza he would have had to have increased his power by what 50x? And then to embarass him he'd have to be even stronger than that. Saiyans in later saga's get their boosts from new transformations not from near death injuries nothing suggests Vegeta had a 100 fold increase in base strength since Namek. |
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| TKSSJ | Nov 2 2009, 05:13 PM Post #9 |
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we gotta look at the power gap between frieza and cell, the androids alone is 50x more powerful than frieza, then on the lookout, kami tell piccolo that there is an evil rising that will prove to be 100x more cunning and lethal than even the androids. this was cell and this was before it was known that he needed the androids to complete his evolution. |
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| Cooler | Nov 2 2009, 05:19 PM Post #10 |
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The Androids aren't 50x stronger than Frieza, not even close. They're not even 10x stronger than Frieza... Turning into a Super Saiyans increases your power level by about 50x (when transformed, it would be even more when you master the form) its transformations which grant the Saiyans the ability to fight with beings like Cell not Frieza like base strength. Brian, I doubt Pui Pui would last long enough against Frieza for him to be able to take advantage of the strain on Frieza's body. |
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| * Psyam | Nov 2 2009, 05:43 PM Post #11 |
 
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Goku increased his power level by roughly 20 times during his stay on King Kai's planet, and that wasn't even a full year as it took him awhile to get there and he had to be wished back before a year passed. The gravity there was only 10x that of Earth's. Goku also reaches a power level of 90,000 in about 5 or 6 days of training at 100x Gravity. During the Vegeta fight he was only 8000 at base. Vegeta had three years training for the Androids in at least 300 times gravity. If Goku's 20x boost from King Kai's 10x Gravity planet can be used as an example, at 300x gravity Vegeta could, in theory, multiply his power by the hundreds in three years. Although it does seem absurd that Vegeta could get that much stronger, judging from the ridiculous increases Goku got from training under gravity, it can't be ruled out. It's quite possible Vegeta's gravity training was less effective then Goku's, as he was stronger to start with, but Vegeta in the Buu Saga had ANOTHER 7 years, in addition to 3 years for the Androids and almost 2 in the Time Chamber, which also had higher gravity. Think of what Goku did on his way to Namek in 5 or 6 days. Now think what Vegeta (who trains harder then anyone) did with 12 years of gravity training since Namek. Vegeta being able to easily thrash Frieza in his base form during the Buu Saga is not only possible, in my opinion, but also quite likely. ...But that's all WAAAY off topic. Sorry, I couldn't help it. Anyway, if Puipui and Frieza are equal in power, Frieza would win through techniques. I doubt Puipui is as good a fighter as Goku, so he'd quite possibly get caught out by Frieza's homing disc, or death beam. Still, if Puipui managed to last then Frieza would wear out. Edited by Psyam, Nov 2 2009, 05:45 PM.
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| Cooler | Nov 2 2009, 06:42 PM Post #12 |
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Training under King Kai seems to be far more effective than training without him, its not the same. Increasing his power by 20 fold is impressive, but to do that when your power level is in the millions not hundreds means that he's going to need much much more strenuous training to make the same gains. Seeing whats on offer on Earth I doubt anyone could keep up that kind of power level increase year on year out. For example say your machine can only simulate 100G's, once 100x Earth's gravity becomes easy for you you'll stop making gains (at least major ones). Same with Vegeta I doubt the technology for him to get into the hundreds of millions in his base form existed, there would come a point where the gravity training became very easy for him and he stopped making major gains. Goku's jump from 8,000 to 90,000 was due to a number of zenkai's he got while training. Pushing himself to the point of near death and then taking a senzu bean, after the namek saga zenkai's seemed to stop taking affect. If Vegeta is stronger than Frieza in base then that means that the PL's by the end of the Buu saga are actually insanely high. However saying all that DBZ often ignores logic so base Vegeta could really be anywhere in terms of strength... Edited by Cooler, Nov 2 2009, 06:43 PM.
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Nov 2 2009, 07:24 PM Post #13 |
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Sam, we don't know how clever or dangerous Pui Pui is. It's hard to determine who's techniques are more dangerous, or who would strike first. All we have to go on here is endurance. |
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| * Psyam | Nov 2 2009, 07:49 PM Post #14 |
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I disagree, what training did King Kai really give him apart from teaching him Kaioken and Spirit Bomb? Catching a monkey? It was the gravity on his planet that really gave Goku his increase. They have capsules and time travel, so I'm pretty sure Bulma could upgrade the gravity chamber to go to higher levels if Vegeta wanted her to. You have a point about him constantly taking senzu beans, but I think 100x Gravity played an equal if not larger part. Buu Saga levels are insanely high whether Vegeta/Goku were that strong at base or not. ~Brian: He seemed like an idiot to me. I don't see Puipui surviving barrages of Death Beams for very long. But yes, if he did, Frieza would wear out and lose. Edited by Psyam, Nov 2 2009, 07:51 PM.
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| Super Goku | Nov 3 2009, 12:22 AM Post #15 |
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Psyam makes a really good point, but i doubt that Vegeta's base level increased THAT much. That would be more than the amount that you increase when you go SSJ, which is absurd. I think pui pui wins, because Supreme kai was worried about pui pui being able to defeat the saiyans. The kai's were said to be able to defeat freeza in one blow, so for a kai to be worried about pui pui at all should mean pui pui out ranks freeza by a lot. on the other hand, Goku at SSJ form was said to have increased his power from base to SSJ by 50. Though its not canon, when general rildo witnessed Goku's SSJ transformation, he stated it was an increase by 100 fold. Now, to get really into it, if a kaioken x 20 is 50% of freeza's power, then a 40x increase in power should be Freeza's max power, and since SSJ is 50x, that put goku just above freeza enough to beat him. So Vegeta trashed pui pui. If pui pui is stronger than freeza, Vegeta MUST have increased his power by ATLEAST 40 fold, more likely 60 fold to be able to decimate him like that. I doubt a base form can go through such an increase in power as that. There's evidence that points both ways... so i dunno. at all. But, since pui pui appeared later in the series, i assume he was stronger than freeza, who appeared a long time ago in the series??? who knows. |
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