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| Topic Started: Nov 1 2009, 04:35 PM (284 Views) | |
| Psyam | Nov 1 2009, 04:35 PM Post #1 |
 
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In the Super Exciting Guide, which is basically an updated Daizenshuu from what I've heard, Toriyama says that Saiyan's life-span is similar to a humans, and though they keep their youthful appearance longer, at a certain age they start rapidly deteriorating. He also said Vegeta would be the first to die. Being someone who just imagined Saiyan's life spans as much longer then a humans, this is kind of strange to realise for me. Does anyone prefer it like that? Or would you prefer Saiyan's lived for a couple hundred years? I can't really imagine an old Vegeta or Goku. Although, if I remember correctly, the Old Kai said he had 1000 years left in him, so Goku should, theoretically, live for 1000 years after he was brought back to life. If this was the case, don't you think Vegeta would want to wish for youth so that he could stay young to keep up with and fight Goku again? Akira Toriyama's statement that Vegeta would be the first to die seems to imply otherwise. Thoughts? Edited by Psyam, Nov 1 2009, 04:37 PM.
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| Itagaki Manabu | Nov 1 2009, 05:59 PM Post #2 |
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I think its better for Saiyans to live longer it makes more sense haha. |
 
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| x_bura_x | Nov 1 2009, 10:44 PM Post #3 |
 
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I've always wanted to believe that they live much longer than humans, I'd definitely prefer it if they stayed young for hundreds of years, but Toriyama's explanation makes sense.... The only time saiyan life-spans are mentioned is during the last chapter when Vegeta says that "saiyans stay in their prime longer." He never said they live longer than humans. I don't really like Toriyama's explanation, rapid deterioration sounds really creepy. However, I don't think it really matters. Bulma says that "next time I'll ask Shenron to make me young again." So I don't think aging is really an issue with this group. They can just wish for eternal youth if they really wanted it. If you go by manga canon anyway... It's only a problem if you count GT. I think Toriyama was kidding around when he said that Vegeta would likely die first from stress. His answers weren't very serious in that daizenshuu. It's hard to tell with him.
I don't remember that, I'd have to re-read the chapter. Was it in the anime or the manga and which part? Edited by x_bura_x, Nov 1 2009, 10:45 PM.
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| Timmooo | Nov 1 2009, 10:44 PM Post #4 |
 
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It does make sense for Saiyan's to live longer... It has always made sense that way for me. Though thinking about it now it does make sense that they could begin degenerating at a particular stage. If their cells produce so much more energy than the normal human eventually it would make sense that eventually they would be drained and it would happen quickly. But if you do look at it in terms of the Dragon Balls I would see Vegeta wanting to live at least as long as Gokou. If they say Vegeta will die first does it explicitly state through natural causes?? It could be through a fight or something. Just because they say Saiyajins normally live as long as humans does not necessarily take into account the effects of external influences such as the Dragon Balls. ~Tim |
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| x_bura_x | Nov 1 2009, 10:56 PM Post #5 |
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He says that: "Everybody dies eventually, but Vegeta seems like he has high blood pressure so he'll probably go suddenly" In other words, a heart attack. Saiyans aren't immune to disease or sickness so... |
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| Super Goku | Nov 1 2009, 11:18 PM Post #6 |
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thats interesting what AT says, rapid deterioration. They are a fighting race, the saiyans, so it makes sense that they're bodies need to stay in prime longer. Humans have a body, where the balance of your prime and your older age is very...smooth, i suppose. Saiyans stay in their prime longer, so they must stay in their older age shorter, which means they would at one point age very fast. kinda funny to think about. Yeah, technically Goku should live for 1000 years if he has the soul of a great kai. thats good for him. When AT says Vegeta dies first, im gonna take his word as law. Vegeta does have high blood pressure, does NOT have the soul of a great kai, and if he continues to make stupid mistakes in battle (as in the fight with cell) he could very well die sooner than goku does. |
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| Brian | Nov 1 2009, 11:48 PM Post #7 |
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Why in the world wouldn't they wish for immortality to Vegeta and Goku? If they didn't exist and just died out from old age, the world would be toast. Plus, why waste all of those wishes bringing people back to life, if you can just wish for an all-powerful and immortal protector to save the planet from mass death in the first place? I never assumed that the Saiyans had longer lifespans. I think they should quit being stupid though, and just make Vegeta and Goku immortal. Perhaps they're foolish, and would rather gamble the human race for sake of their own personal challenge. |
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| Psyam | Nov 2 2009, 12:45 AM Post #8 |
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Manga, I think. I could be wrong though. I don't remember where about, but I'd assume just before Old Kai gave his life to Goku. |
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| eross7777777 | Nov 2 2009, 05:37 AM Post #9 |
 
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Maybe the stress from all the battles could catch up to the Saiyans. They do fight a lot! Also, didn't Toriyama say he hated Vegeta the most. That could probably go into him dying first. Just a thought. |
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| Mc Esse | Nov 2 2009, 08:40 PM Post #10 |
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Hmm... I always thought the only reason Goku looked 30 when he was 70 is because Akira didn't draw gray hair or anything like that. 
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| Super Goku | Nov 2 2009, 11:37 PM Post #11 |
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if we're counting DBGT, there arent any dragonballs anymore besides the ones on namek, and goku has passed on - for good. I suppose after GT they could have wished vegeta immortality... If we're goin by Z though, i dunno if the gods would allow two saiyans to become immortal, and just infinitely grow in power until they could shut down the whole after life with a flick of their wrist. There are limits to what king yemma will let ya do, i suppose. The great kais were all killed by Boo, and SSJ3 Goku was about even with Kid boo, ... immortality would be overkill. Thatd just be ridiculous if goku and vegeta protected the universe forever. Theyd go crazy. Plus, Goku was saying how he wanted the younger generation to take charge. He knows he cant just stay on earth forever. |
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| x_bura_x | Nov 5 2009, 09:14 AM Post #12 |
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Your right, I found it. I don't think it means Goku will live as long as a Kaioshin though, Goku is still a mortal so his physical body still has limitations even if Kai transfers his own life-force into him. I always assumed it was like re-charging a battery. I'd also expect them to acknowledge something like that if it were true, but it's never mentioned. Toriyama usually likes to hype up special privileges or abilities that his characters get, especially Goku. It would help if Toriyama gave us a few more details about how "giving up one's life-force for another" works, but he didn't establish any rules for this ability so it's hard to determine. |
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| SlyStrife | Nov 5 2009, 02:57 PM Post #13 |
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Just looked at it myself and yeah, he does say it. But the way I figure it he never meant it like that, I think it was just another way of the Old Kai saying that he has "Plenty of life left in him" , despite his age. I don't think it was meant to be taking literally at all, it's like if I said that my car still has plenty of juice left in it. Same concept really, still it's an interesting thing to think about. Makes you wonder what Toriyama is thinking sometimes, and he is always mysterious with his rules.... |
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