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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 15 2009, 10:25 PM (929 Views) | |
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Oct 15 2009, 10:25 PM Post #1 |
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I think both of these fighters are Perfect Cell-level fighters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAu_J6ScT50 Goku is referring to regular Perfect Cell here, rather than SPC. This would rank Dabura almost exactly where Bojack should be. Edited by Dark, Oct 17 2009, 06:34 PM.
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| * Psyam | Oct 17 2009, 07:18 PM Post #2 |
 
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Although I expect to be arguing against everyone else on the forum, as Bojack seems to be an underrated and unliked character, I'll post what I think. We can assume by what Goku said that Dabura is stronger then Perfect Cell, but Super Perfect, definitely not. Bojack's power was roughly shown, but here's what we did see: 1. ) Bojack was able to match and play with (he never showed any sign of strain) Ascended Super Saiyan Vegeta without even needing to transform. 2. ) Just two of his henchmen were able to overwhelm Full Power Super Saiyan Gohan in close combat. Bojack can be assumed to be much stronger then his henchmen, thus he can easily be assumed to stronger then FPSSJ Gohan. 3. ) To back that up, Bojack never showed any sign of strain when fighting FPSSJ Gohan, and was able to hold and crush him with Gohan having no chance to get free. 4. ) Bojack was able to cancel out SSJ2 Gohan's Kamehameha with his ultimate attack, after he'd just been mortally wounded! (For those of you who may have thought Bojack was killed by the Kamehameha, watch the clip closely. The two beams collide and cancel each other, then Bojack and Gohan both rush forward into the light, where Gohan delivers the final blow.) I think point 4 shows Bojack's strength by itself. He cancelled out a SSJ2 Gohan's Kamehameha! Even if Gohan was SSJ2 against Dabura, Dabura was only equal to him and Gohan had got a lot weaker since the Cell Games, meaning Dabura could not cancel out SSJ2 Kid Gohan's Kamehameha, as he was only equal to a much much weaker Gohan. I think I had more to say but I've forgotten because I've been chatting while posting this, so I'll just leave it there for now. Super Perfect Cell > Bojack > Dabura > Perfect Cell, that would be my list. Of course, Dabura could probably spit him in a real fight...but yeah. Edited by Psyam, Oct 18 2009, 01:19 AM.
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| Super Goku | Oct 17 2009, 07:58 PM Post #3 |
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if dabura was supposedly perfect cell level, or maybe buff perfect cell level. Goku said they were the same. SSJ2 teen gohan owned cell. Bojack cancelled out SSJ2 gohan's kamehameha while wounded which is pretty impressive, but gohna still won pretty easily. SSJ2 gohan > bojack > dabura >= perfect cell i think daburas power is a little messed up though. people say he was even with SSJ2 adult gohan, but it looked like he was just messin around in the manga, i thought. which would put him at around bojack level. bojack is a huge target though, and dabura could probably spit on him and/or use his sword to his advantage. in terms of power i think bojack is stronger, but dabura has unique techniques that could change the battle. |
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Oct 18 2009, 02:43 PM Post #4 |
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SSJ2 Gohan used two physical attacks to kill Bojack, the first being a grand wound that would have left him pooping out of his stomach. He would've died soon after that attack anyway. This fight was a prime example of how undeniably useful regeneration is. Either way, Bojack was toast, and fast too. If Dabura fought a -Super Saiyan 2- Gohan in their fight, I would rank Dabura above Bojack due to the fact that he at least stood up to Gohan in that form. Bojack even received several staggering attacks from FPSSJ Gohan. Had it not been for the cheap gang tactics, Gohan could have perhaps stood up to Bojack, and over time could have defeated his minions one by one. Judging by footage, that's what I think anyway. This one goes straight down the line, but Dabura's spit is such an insane ability that I'd just give it to him. |
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| Cooler | Oct 18 2009, 04:20 PM Post #5 |
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I voted for Dabura, I shall now explain why. Basically we know purely from Goku's statements that Dabura is superior to FP Perfect cell, he's originally stated to be around Cells level then later after witnessing him fight he's said to be a lot stronger than Goku thought. So we know: Dabura >> FP Perfect Cell. Dabura was able to fight SSJ2 teen Gohan more than evenly although Gohan had lost strength and fighting skill at this point placing him bellow the power of his original transformation. How much had he lost though? It was enough to be considered significant but I doubt he was at half strength. Gohan while injured was able to match Super Perfect Cell so Dabura IMO is probably only slightly weaker than SP Cell. So I'd put Dabura at: SP Cell > Dabura >> FP Perfect Cell. Bojack only displayed one feat to place him above FP Perfect Cell and that was cancelling out Gohan's Kamehameha however this is not as impressive as it first appears. The Kamehameha from Gohan was barely charged compared to the one versus SP Cell, all it really shows is that Bojack has a really powerful ultimate move. Bojack was also killed with 2 punches, that doesn't speak volumes for his strength. Perhaps unlike with Cell Gohan didn't want to torture him so finished him quickly. Regardless there isn't much reason to put him much above FP Cell if at all considering that Gohan as a MSSJ was able to fight Bojack and all 3 of his cronies at once albeit briefly and FP Perfect cell would have crushed him alone. Considering all this: SP Cell > Dabura >> FP Perfect Cell >= Bojack. The only alteration I'd make is to perhaps make the difference between FP Perfect Cell and Dabura smaller however Goku did state Dabura was ALOT stronger than he thought. |
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Oct 19 2009, 01:26 PM Post #6 |
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I agree with a majority of this. I do not however think that Dabura is only slightly weaker than SPC. Goku had not seen SPC's power, so how surprised he was with Dabura's power doesn't really seem that influencing to me. You sort of just have to face it though. Even if Dabura didn't look quite near SPC's power, Bojack looked flat out weak. Base Goku knocked his block off with a single punch. Gohan was landing clean shots at SSJ1. To stress the difference between Bojack and -SPC- (as further explanation of Dabura's power), keep in mind that SPC greatly wounded Gohan with a single Ki ball. Gohan stood unharmed in front of Bojack's full power Ki blast. This would show a gigantic difference in power between -these two-. Dabura was compared to the far greater fighter. So yes, Dabura was compared to Perfect Cell, and then later confirmed to be a lot stronger than imagined. I'd rank these three at about Perfect Cell's level, but I would ultimately put Dabura over Bojack. I think Dabura is perhaps slightly stronger than Perfect Cell, and I believe Bojack is right at Perfect Cell's level. |
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| * Psyam | Oct 25 2009, 04:27 PM Post #7 |
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@Cooler: Bojack is definitely far stronger then Perfect Cell. Here's the proof: When Gohan transformed into SSJ2 and dominated Perfect Cell, Cell got angry/scared/desperate and went up into the sky where he proceeded to charge a Kamehameha (for quite a long time and obviously with all his power), then he shot it at Gohan, intending to destroy the Earth. SSJ2 Gohan did his own Kamehameha (without even using the hand movements and just standing there until he launched it), which repelled PC's fully charged Kamehameha effortlessly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4s7B-OGjN8 Bojack charged his finishing move for less time then Cell did his Kamehameha. Also, SSJ2 Gohan actually properly charged his Kamehameha this time, using the proper hand movements, which we can assume puts more power into it. SSJ2 Gohan's Charged Kamehameha (against Bojack) = Bojack's Ultimate Attack > SSJ2 Gohan's "Quick" Kamehameha (against PC) > Perfect Cell's fully charged Kamehameha. Bojack's final attack would blow PC's fully charged Kamehameha out of the water. Saying that Bojack's final attack must just be a "really powerful move" is just trying to explain it away. The Kamehameha has shown to be an incredible powerful technique as well. Bojack was able to repel SSJ2 Gohan's Kamehameha because he's a lot stronger then Perfect Cell, not because his beam is some unique crazy powerful technique. How likely is that? Bojack only died quickly because Gohan went for the kill right from the start. SSJ2 Cell Games Gohan could of done the same to Perfect Cell (he even said he was keeping him alive to make him suffer) and even Dabura, who was only about equal to a much weakened Gohan. Considering Dabura and Bojack are both stronger then Perfect Cell but weaker then Super Perfect Cell, we can put them around the same power level, roughly. I do think Dabura would still win by magic/sword/spit etc., as well as possibly being a more skilled fighter, but I don't think it'd be easy and if Bojack did connect with his "Galactic Buster", I'm doubtful that Dabura would survive. Just making a point that Bojack IS stronger then Perfect Cell...by quite a bit. Edited by Psyam, Oct 25 2009, 04:44 PM.
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Oct 25 2009, 05:10 PM Post #8 |
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Gohan was more battle worn against Bojack though. He would have quit, had it not been for Goku. (as always) |
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| * Psyam | Oct 25 2009, 05:24 PM Post #9 |
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To be fair Gohan got wrecked by Perfect Cell as well, before he transformed into SSJ2. Maybe he got a bit more beat up by Bojack, but he seemed fine once he transformed. I don't think the damage Gohan took can account for the difference in power between Cell's and Bojack's beams.
Edited by Psyam, Oct 25 2009, 05:29 PM.
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| Cooler | Oct 25 2009, 06:33 PM Post #10 |
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Bojack in the physical fight with Gohan never seemed to be that far a head, Gohan looked like he could give Bojack a good fight one on one while only a FPSSJ. FP Perfect Cell would have beaten Gohan to death easily and there's no way Gohan could have even briefly matched him and 3 other fighters at once like with Bojack. There are moves out there with more punch than the Kamehamaha though, for example Vegeta's galick gun was equal with a stronger Goku's kamehamaha. Final flash is also a seriously powerful attack able to damage far more powerful opponents like Cell even when outclassed severly. Bojack also got a sore jaw from a punch from Goku who was in his base form, in his physical fights he never seemed more powerful than Cell. I personally feel that Dabura is going to be far closer to SP Cell than most people give him credit, we know he's a lot stronger than FP Perfect Cell and was at least equal with Gohan in his teen SSJ2 state. Gohan wouldn't have lost 50% of his strength, in DBZ even small differences are often said to be vast. However I agree that the stone spit is a major factor for why Dabura would win. |
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Oct 25 2009, 06:35 PM Post #11 |
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It was a Kamehameha by a far superior fighter in both cases. I really doubt the performance of the attack mattered at all, judging by how overall outclassed they both were. |
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| * Psyam | Oct 25 2009, 06:58 PM Post #12 |
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FPSSJ Gohan was said to be stronger then FPSSJ Goku, and Goku put up a very good fight against PC. Yes, Cell was holding back, but as Gohan was stronger then Goku, even if Perfect Cell was full power, FPSSJ1 Gohan could still land some hits on Cell as well (if he actually fought back, which he didn't when he was FPSSJ against Cell), so him landing a few punches on Bojack is beside the point. Bojack's true strength was shown when he went all out at the end. Goku hurting Bojack was just a movie error, or you could just say Goku caught him completely off guard and was also quite angry. Bojack's attack was never proven to be anything special...it just looked like a Kamehameha type beam to me. It's not a huge 5 minute charge up attack like the Final Flash. Bojack was just that strong. Besides, even if you do argue that Bojack has some uber powerful final attack that allows him to bridge a huge gap (weaker then Perfect Cell to SSJ2 Gohan? Come on.), wouldn't that mean it would kill Dabura if it hit? Edited by Psyam, Oct 25 2009, 07:02 PM.
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Oct 25 2009, 07:09 PM Post #13 |
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Wouldn't this happen, and wouldn't that happen. Wouldn't it kill Bojack if Dabura's spit hit? In a fair fight, Dabura is still more powerful. He held his own against an SSJ2 level fighter, weak or not. A SSJ2 level fighter busted Bojack's guts out. |
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| * Psyam | Oct 25 2009, 07:20 PM Post #14 |
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Gohan as an adult was much weaker. Even if Gohan only lost 20% power, Bojack could still then possibly beat Gohan. Gohan could only be 10% stronger then Bojack and be capable of beating him like that. Why are you basing Bojack's power on Gohan getting a few pot shots at him, when he was clearly shown to be able to match SSJ2 Gohan's Kamehameha? The latter is much better evidence of his absolute full power. We know at his maximum potential he can match that Kamehameha, but we don't know how much of his power he was using when Gohan got some hits on him. Transformed /=/ Full Power. As NeciFiX said in other topic, usually fighters have some room to power up after they transform. Perfect Cell's Kamehameha got absolutely overtaken by a Kamehameha that was weaker then the one Gohan used against Bojack. Bojack had just "had his guts busted out", and still did a stronger attack then Perfect Cell, who charged his attack for longer as well. Maybe Dabura is a stronger, yes, but I'm not arguing that. I DO think Dabura would win, I was just saying that Bojack > Perfect Cell, in response to Cooler's post. Edited by Psyam, Oct 25 2009, 07:27 PM.
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Oct 25 2009, 07:27 PM Post #15 |
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I also agree that Bojack is slightly stronger than Perfect Cell, just as I believe Dabura is slightly stronger as well. I believe Bojack may have had a similar alien ability to endure mortal wounds just as Frieza did. I think that's why he seemed unhindered when launching his final, fully powered attack. |
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