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| Topic Started: Oct 12 2009, 08:30 PM (1,905 Views) | |
| ryanson209 | Oct 12 2009, 08:30 PM Post #1 |
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Overall, here in the states, homosexual marriage was and probably still is a hot topic. I'm doing an English paper about the causes and effects of allowing same-sex marriage. What would happen if we do, or don't. But I'm at a loss of where to bring my paper. I just would like some opinions; if you had facts to back up your reasoning, you could post the website(s) you get your facts from. I want this is to be a deep discussion as well; the paper's due next week, but we could keep the discussion going on til next year if you wish. |
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| Brian | Oct 12 2009, 09:22 PM Post #2 |
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I've already done an English paper. I guess it'd explain my views on the matter. Here goes: If your freedom was taken from you, could you understand the pain of oppression? What about the rest of the world? Would they understand the fabric of what others go through each and every day? As a human race, our history is utterly disgusting and wrong. We have enslaved, murdered, and rejected those we find different. Over time, we have evolved with a more understanding logic. However, even to this day, oppression still runs freely. Despite various times we have overcome sickening adversity as an ever changing people, homosexuality remains one of the most seemingly-impossible traits to accept and understand. Unable to accept the differences of others, we would abuse power in cowardly ways and oppress those different from us. As a heterosexual, I feel as though my vision and outlook on the issue is a clear and fair one. It is indeed a completely repulsed outlook, but also entirely unbiased and fair. With this very outlook in mind, I have certainly acknowledged the awful and unfair ways homosexual people are treated. There was a time when I rejected homosexuals and saw them as petty. From experience I understand the reason behind this, which is religious belief and instinct. It was only until my wondrous discovery of the fairness in atheism that I learned just how fine and normal homosexual people truly are. I learned to accept them for their differences, and fully acknowledged how harmless those slight differences were. In these times, I also discovered how horribly mistreated and unfairly judged they were. The irony in this, being that other unfair judgments were wrong but this one isn’t, is absolute proof of the blindness caused by religious following. It would seem that religion is clearly the ultimate driving force against the acceptance of homosexuality. A horrible case of bigoted selfishness occurred in 2008 during the passing of the Arkansas Adoption Act. The stipulation of the act stated that only married couples of heterosexual orientation could adopt children. So, due to closed minded ignorance beyond any and all levels of imagination, children living in foster homes could no longer be adopted by homosexual couples or even single men and women. This is but one simple example of the ridiculous treatment that gets tossed onto homosexual people and their ways. Another ironic example of unfairness, which also occurred in 2008, would be the majority of black California residents voting against homosexual marriage in favor of Proposition 8. That is simply mind boggling, considering the fact that black people were once an oppressed people themselves. I could never begin to imagine just how selfish these acts truly are, and it is that very selfishness that has kept homosexual people down for so long. Could you possibly begin to understand this type of unfair judgment and selfishness? So many people have made it difficult for the lives homosexuals live. Homosexuals will never see the light in other good people unless we show them that we truly can interpret fairness and accept it into our hearts to present an equal chance of freedom before them. Religious people must understand the hypocrisy of the very foundation in their teachings if they wish to treat homosexual people fairly, and accept them as human beings of equal importance. Only through these types of understandings can we help this oppressed and unfairly treated people. Could you understand? Edited by Brian, Oct 12 2009, 09:23 PM.
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| Kyonko | Oct 12 2009, 10:27 PM Post #3 |
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Peronsally, I've never seen a problem with it and nor should there even be one really, people should be free to marry who they want to marry, gender wise anyway, there are other grounds that would be unacceptable to marry under but no need to go into that. Reproduction wise, it's not going to have a huge impact, of the billions of people on the planet, it's not a significant amount of homosexuals wanting to get married in comparison to hetrosexual couples. Not to mention the fact that even without gay marrage laws, those homosexuals aren't going to reproduce anyway, they wouldn't want to, it wouldn't be in their nature. That comes to the debate of are people born gay/straight, which people are divided on but in the wild, you get gay animal couples who live in their socity quite happily, it's funny how a greater capacity for intelligence turns into a greater amount of discrimination. If it isn't natural, why would other animals do it, people aren't the only animals on the planet to be in a homosexual relationship. So same-sex marriage, why not, as well as transgender/intersex marriage, which I must point out also isn't allowed in many countires. Although in some countries there is more leway to transexual marriage like in the UK, if you live as your prefered gender for two years, you can apply for a gender certificate to be legally changed to your prefered gender and it doesn't require you to have had surgery, though that's not the same as same-sex marriage but it's a related issue worth mentioning. |
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| Kotetsu | Oct 12 2009, 11:55 PM Post #4 |
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I would love to hear an opposing opinion that doesn't use religion as a reference. In fact I implore anyone to make a great argument in this regard. That is an argument, not a 5 page paper. Coughtemphiscough |
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| Mitas | Oct 13 2009, 02:44 PM Post #5 |
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The only argument against same-sex marriage that I could think of (not that I'm against it) was religion and the fact that they do not permit it, but having just looked up the definition of marriage I found out it isn't limited to religious reasons which I didn't know. Therefore if it has been made 'legal' and as a same-sex marriage you are following all legal obligations for marriage then there is no reason anyone can give for it to be wrong in the legal sense. I have no opinion on it to be honest. If two people want a same-sex marriage then they should be able to. It is their decision, their lives and they should have freedom to marry whomever they choose (as long as it is legal because marriage, in the end, is just a legal ceremony). However when it was illegal I didn't particularly care and I wouldn't care if it was outlawed again. |
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| Itagaki Manabu | Oct 13 2009, 03:53 PM Post #6 |
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Is homophobia an actual phobia cos I was thinking about it the other day, how can you be scared of gays..? I dont understand it lol. Anyway, I dont actually have a problem with same sex marriages, I have a few gay friends, they are really nice, but im sure you can get some gays who are twats too, But they are just people, which gender they like shouldnt be included on your judgement of whether you like them or not. |
 
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| Kyonko | Oct 13 2009, 04:40 PM Post #7 |
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Yes it is, it's no more insane than a fear of long fingure nails, a phobia is an irrational fear, it doesn't have to make sense. Because through time stories have passed around about gays, it has made people wary, like at one point in the UK, you could be arrested for being gay which is why the UK is one of the few Europen countries where men don't kiss each other on the cheek as a greeting or whatever. It all came from religion though, which runined many things in socity which are now becoming more widly accepted and less discrimination takes place. An example of what homophobia has helped create is the Gay Panic Defense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense |
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| -Zero- | Oct 14 2009, 08:12 AM Post #8 |
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Why are people worried about same gender getting married? Me personally I have no issues, why would I? It's their choice, their lives, their feelings it has absolutely no impact on me what so ever. I see nothing wrong with it, if people of the same gender want to get married then they should be able to do it. However as always religion interferes with that. |
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| Mc Esse | Oct 14 2009, 03:12 PM Post #9 |
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The only argument non-religion wise is the spread of AIDS and of course anti reproduction. AIDS: That's what protections for Reproduction: We just may be in the midst of an overpopulating crisis in some parts of the world In other words, same sex marriage is not a bad thing. But if 2 fags want to make out, I don't care. Just don't do it in front of my face, lol. |
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| + nomnomliekdis | Oct 14 2009, 03:24 PM Post #10 |
 
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What I don't understand is why people think that gay marriage leads to the spread of AIDS....any HUMAN is at risk to spread AIDS. Gay or straight. And what does that have to do with marriage anyway? If you get married the presumption is that you aren't sleeping around anyway. |
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| Temphis | Oct 14 2009, 09:27 PM Post #11 |
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from a non religious stand point, there is no worries, and it seems wrong to deny gay couples the same rights a married couple has. I normally wouldn't care, but as a Mormon, the Prophet has taught that marriage is eternal and that even as Adam and Eve were wed by god, we should follow their example, and that eternal marriage is one of the most important steps to eternal life with god. that being said, I am not only opposed to gay sex, I am opposed to premarital sex. because of the laws, it's hard for a gay couple to live together financially, and it's hard for them to raise a family too, but if I believe one of the reasons for us entering mortality on earth is to be eternally wed to someone of the opposite sex, that it would be contridictory to my views to think it would be right for them to do so. I think another problem is, that if it becomes legal, gay activists may protest against the Mormon's, because missionaries who are teaching gays would have to ask them to get a divorce and then teach them that because gay sexual relations are wrong in gods eyes, that they would have to repent for their sexual relationship, even though it was within the bonds of marraige. then there would be a bunch of stuff that they would try to do to make the church conform, and it would just really make a mess of things from the churches stand point. there are probably a plethra of other reasons involved too, but I can only speculate. I don't see why the government doesn't just make some new laws that allow people to get more benifits for living together, so that way, gay couples could get their benifits without having to get married, but than again, I guess they just want to feel like their relationship is acceptable to the world on the same terms as a straight couple. I think its a hard call for anyone religious if they don't believe in eternal marriage though. for me it's simple. if I believe one of the reasons for us entering mortality on earth is to be eternally wed to someone of the opposite sex, than I can't support it without disregarding the significance of my other views regarding life's purpose. |
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| ryanson209 | Oct 14 2009, 09:38 PM Post #12 |
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Brain, do you mind if I use your paper as a source? i like where it's going. (to use it properly, I'm going to need your name so if you don't feel comfortable, just say no :)) |
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| Kyonko | Oct 14 2009, 09:59 PM Post #13 |
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You are just as likly to get HIV/AIDs from hetrosexual sex as you are from gay sex though, man-woman, man-man or woman-woman, so that argument is invalid so is the anti-reproduction really because as I said before, even if it wasn't legal to have gay partners, those homosexuals would still not reproduce. And your use of the word "fag" is innappropriate, consider this a verbal warning. The whole religious stand point is confusing, if god made people and everything, then god made homosexuality. The argument to say it's free will is then counted by saying god created homosexuality by proxy. I find religion flawed, if god created everything, then there is nothing wrong with it. |
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| Mc Esse | Oct 14 2009, 10:11 PM Post #14 |
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I know I know That's why I'm not against gay marriage. Actually though, to say those homosexuals will not reproduce, even if it's not legal to have a gay partner is somewhat of an opinion though. There are many homosexuals who go hide in the closet, most efficient way of pretending to not be gay must surely be to reproduce with a women. Although more recently the laws against gays have been more leniant, I guess in the 70's there were more homosexuals who would reproduce with the opposite sex and what not. Personally my father knew a guy who had 3 kids, and just last year at the age of almost 50 came out of the closet... We all knew he was gay though.. lol, but that's aside the point. |
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| -Zero- | Oct 14 2009, 10:44 PM Post #15 |
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God is such a terrible parent. Doesn't even allow his own children to marry even if they are of the same sex, what kind of a parent is that, that treats his children like they are less beings. Gosh |
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