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Tien (End of DBZ) vs Frieza 50% Final Form; Take your bets
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Lavisdragoon	Jun 30 2012, 12:09 AM Post #61
Apparent forum punching bag. Posts: 162 Group: Member Member #7,864 Joined: June 29, 2012 Favourite Anime Tie between DBZ and Code Geass What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Tie between Deadman Wonderland and Hellsing	GridZero Jun 30 2012, 12:04 AM Ah. You realize that the screenplay is the true storyline of the film. Of course Akira made the story. They're all his characters that he created with his intellectual property. Ehhh. I'm not very familiar with how movies (or any theater-type productions) go. Well, I'll retract my statement and amend it to this: Mr. Toriyama created the characters, and likely some of their backstory. I was like 20% right. Ow, my pride.
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HersheyDux	Jun 30 2012, 12:57 AM Post #62
Prince of all Chewing Gum Posts: 377 Group: Member Member #7,469 Joined: March 24, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	Tien one-shots 100% Freeza imo.



~~Paikuan extreme~~	Jun 30 2012, 01:11 AM Post #63
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	Ninjajp247 Jun 29 2012, 11:09 PM where did these FAKE numbers come from? and why is it you said father son kame blast? that was gohan unleashed, we dont refer to video games and their moves in this forum. read the manga, gohan was only encouraged by goku, there was no father son blast, no Ki given, only a pep talk. Goku is dead. Try again. Super saquer, you can make excuses for cell all you want, he was reborn Super perfect, and Akira toriyama invented him, he knew what pikkon was for, pikkon easily knocks cell out, doesnt matter what excuse you use to say why. Cell goes after goku, pikkon goes after cell. A kick to the face and karate chop to the neck puts him down for good. Lighting or not, Cell is not an SSj2, and therefore doesnt need the characteristics of one in that state. Pikkon used his burning shoot technique to get at cell, and powered through a goku's kame blast who used a super kaioken IN super saiyan. So that easily puts pikkon at the bottom of his strength even with perfect cell. Tell me Dragoon since i made my opinions FACTS, exactly what part of this statement is my opinion and WHICH is fact? no examples are provided as you dont have any to provide any proof of your claims. LOL at me thinking MY opinion trumps others when everything i stated except the part about pikkons strength was ALL facts. wow, if you arent able to handle whats being thrown at you then get out the kitchen. You tried to reverse what i said to you, as you have no better reply as a comeback? Like i said, point something out that isnt my opinion besides what i mentioned on the bottom line. The numbers are fake the name for the kame blast is fake the interviews dont ring true, we come across fanboy written interviews all the time, and even fake pages from super guides. Like i said, i saw the At interview on television. You want me to read the wiki. Edited by Paikuan extreme, Jun 30 2012, 01:15 AM.



Kaio-Ken825	Jun 30 2012, 03:03 AM Post #64
(>'o')> ===O O=== <('o'<) Posts: 93 Group: Member Member #7,818 Joined: June 23, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Tien would probably win. He sorta matched Cell with his Neo-Tri-beam.



Lavisdragoon	Jun 30 2012, 12:23 PM Post #65
Apparent forum punching bag. Posts: 162 Group: Member Member #7,864 Joined: June 29, 2012 Favourite Anime Tie between DBZ and Code Geass What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Tie between Deadman Wonderland and Hellsing	Kaio-Ken825 Jun 30 2012, 03:03 AM Tien would probably win. He sorta matched Cell with his Neo-Tri-beam. Well, he didn't really match Cell. He wasn't doing any damage, and even with an infinite number of Tri-Beams all he would've done is keep Cell there until someone more powerful got there and wiped him out. @ Ninja Yeah, forget everything I've said up til now, I'm just gonna ignore you. Everyone's happy.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Jun 30 2012, 11:00 PM Post #66
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	Lavisdragoon Jun 30 2012, 12:23 PM Kaio-Ken825 Jun 30 2012, 03:03 AM Tien would probably win. He sorta matched Cell with his Neo-Tri-beam. Well, he didn't really match Cell. He wasn't doing any damage, and even with an infinite number of Tri-Beams all he would've done is keep Cell there until someone more powerful got there and wiped him out. @ Ninja Yeah, forget everything I've said up til now, I'm just gonna ignore you. Everyone's happy. You can do that, or you can pay attention and actually learn about DBZ, and not make comparisons to the manga characters with movie ones, making story and strength references from video game based OVA'S like YO son goku. Edited by Paikuan extreme, Jun 30 2012, 11:02 PM.



Lavisdragoon	Jun 30 2012, 11:25 PM Post #67
Apparent forum punching bag. Posts: 162 Group: Member Member #7,864 Joined: June 29, 2012 Favourite Anime Tie between DBZ and Code Geass What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Tie between Deadman Wonderland and Hellsing	Ninjajp247 Jun 30 2012, 11:00 PM Lavisdragoon Jun 30 2012, 12:23 PM Kaio-Ken825 Jun 30 2012, 03:03 AM Tien would probably win. He sorta matched Cell with his Neo-Tri-beam. Well, he didn't really match Cell. He wasn't doing any damage, and even with an infinite number of Tri-Beams all he would've done is keep Cell there until someone more powerful got there and wiped him out. @ Ninja Yeah, forget everything I've said up til now, I'm just gonna ignore you. Everyone's happy. You can do that, or you can pay attention and actually learn about DBZ, and not make comparisons to the manga characters with movie ones, making story and strength references from video game based OVA'S like YO son goku. ...I know I said I'd ignore you but that was pretty unnecessary.
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Voids	Jul 4 2012, 12:39 PM Post #68
Posts: 55 Group: Member Member #7,155 Joined: January 1, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga Naruto	Emperor Cold Oct 12 2009, 05:46 AM cmay119 Oct 11 2009, 11:17 PM Cooler Oct 11 2009, 05:28 PM Tien has never demonstrated the Kaioken attack much less a times 20 like what Goku needed to match Frieza at 50% of his power so its far more likely that Tien is limited to his base power. Didn't Tien use the Kaio-Ken Technique to knock Jaice & Burter off King Kai's planet? He never said 'Kaio-Ken', but did have a charged Red-Aura, when he hit directly into their 'Hurricane-Attack'. Don't use that fight with the Ginyu Force as evidence, it was pure filler. There is absolutely no way that three humans who couldn't even touch Nappa would stand any chance at all against the Ginyu Force after half a year on King Kai's planet. Realistically, I think even Dodoria would've been able to take all three fairly easily. A taioken-kikoho combo might be enough to beat Frieza if his guard was down, but Frieza could very easily spear him through the heart with a death beam before Tien could do so much as raise his hands. And I don't think any ammount of training would change this. Remember, training doesn't work for humans the way it does for Saiyans, for humans training on Earth usually only raises their PL by increments of no more than 1000 per year. And Frieza's first form had a PL of 530,000. Also, I think at some point Tien would've reached a peak where training wouldn't actually make him any stronger, but he kept training anyway just to stay in shape. So yeah Frieza 50% final form would definately be overkill, I think his first form would be enough to finish the job as long as he took Tien seriously. Actually they could.. when Goku went to king kai he had a power level of only what 400-500? Now we have tien who at that time had roughly speaking 2,000 - 2,500 in power level. That's already a major head start on king kai's planet, as the gravity won't effect them as much as it did goku. Furthermore, we have no doubt that tien trained with yamcha as well, which would help drastically in improving and increasing his power level. Like when goku went in with gohan they seen significant gains training together. So realistically, I can see him taking on the ginyu force with ease in your situation. OT now I think Tien could kill frieza. Okay so when tien blasted the ***** out of sem-perfect cell, with his tri beam, we can see that while it doesn't defeat him it does some amount of damage. That's in the cell saga. Semi-perfect Cell is many times stronger than frieza. Even in this cell saga Tien could have killed 50%-70% frieza, though personally I don't think he could beat 100% frieza at this stage. In the 7 years peace, most assume (including myself) that Tien continued training and even until EoZ. Tien was also able to negate one of buutenks attacks, which is substantially more powerful than frieza. That was in the Buu saga. He continued to train after that more than likely as he always has seen goku as a rival even if he was many times weaker. So by the end of Z, I can safely say that Tien could easily kill Frieza.
	" You think you can stop me Cell!"


Skywalker	Jul 4 2012, 08:54 PM Post #69
Posts: 779 Group: Member Member #5,634 Joined: January 18, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Gurren Lagann, DB/Z/Super, Naruto What Browser do you use? Chrome	HersheyDux Jun 30 2012, 12:57 AM Tien one-shots 100% Freeza imo. This. This thread is ridiculous, I didn't think Power Levels were this difficult to understand.



Dodorbon	Mar 31 2013, 08:00 PM Post #70
Posts: 1 Group: New Member Member #9,282 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ	I have not fully read everything but I do wish to relay some information: Android 17 has been shown to easily defeat Piccolo, SSJ1 Future Trunks, and Tien quite easily during SSJ1 Vegeta's fight with Android 18. If Imperfect Cell was able to easily snuff out a Piccolo Fused with Kami and Android 17 then post 17 absorption defeat Android 16 with ease and Tien is able to at least hold Semi-Perfect Cell off for a while, it can be noted that (Cell was not surprised by Tien's appearance. He noticed and even said "What is that No-count think he's doing?" if the Tri Beam barrage was holding off a Semi-Perfect Cell who at the time was stronger than Android 16, who was stronger than Imperfect Cell, who was stronger than Android 17 and Piccolo combined, who is stronger than SSJ1 Vegeta when he first fought Android 18, who is stronger than SSJ1 Future Trunks who EASILY Snuffed out Mecha Freeza and King Cold. Then it can be duly noted that Tien's power level is at LEAST around that of a base Saiyan. At this time. During Bojack Unbound Tien is seen holding his own against Base Future Trunks, it was friendly sparring of course. But Trunks was eventually forced to turn SSJ1 to defeat Tien (rather easily). But this could note that Base Power Levels of Saiyans don't normally exceed about 10Million. While SSJ1 could break the 150Mil counter easily. Thus implying that Tien's power is about the same as the Base Saiyans. Seven Years Later it can again be implied that Tien did nothing but train during this time. While everyone except Vegeta slacked off. Could see that Tien further increased his power. Dragonball Logic states that the farther through the series you get, the more dramatic your power increases shall be. This being noted for Goku turning SS2, then SS3 in otherworld within those Seven Years. So Tien's power increase would be higher proportioned to keep up with the others. This can be seen when he easily blocks one of SuperBuu Gotenks absorbed's attacks aimed at Dende and then dodging one aimed at himself. Noted that these attacks would surely have killed any normal person. Tien's potential has to at least be about 15Million at this point. Now let's delve into Bursts. Physically Tien wouldn't last a day against Final Form Freeza 50%. But Ki-Wise? Tien could mop Freeza if he caught him by surprise or managed to taunt him into taking the full force of one of his Tri Beams. Tien was chosen by Piccolo Fused With Kami to help him track down imperfect cell. Tien is able to sense Ki and energy better than any of the Z fighters, possibly even Piccolo. So while many of Freeza's attacks could kill Tien, he would be able to see them coming and aptly prepare a defense or even dodge them. I'd say Tien would be an even match for 50% Power Freeza, even Final Form Freeza. Tien would not be a match Physically for any of the main villains. But he's always been special with his Techniques.



ac4400cw5106	Apr 1 2013, 06:02 PM Post #71
Posts: 199 Group: Member Member #9,176 Joined: March 12, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z! the best! nothing will ever beat it! What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DRAGON BALL Z!	I think tien has this with ease. as long as the tri-beam doesn't get him he has this.
	You must really think im an amateur! - SSJ Vegito


Xfing	Apr 3 2013, 05:23 PM Post #72
Posts: 817 Group: Member Member #5,616 Joined: January 11, 2011	Hmmm... Tien was indeed amazing, more than even I used to give him credit for. Let's analyze a bit. I'll consider the King Kai planet battle vs the Ginyu Force canon. Or at least "happened". So, I'll place Tien at a minimum of 110,000 after the training. Amazing increment, seeing as when he got to that planet he was barely around 2,000. He split up into two Tiens and manhandled Jeice and Burter, who were at around 45k each. With 60k for each of the two split Tiens, he could do that easily. After the battle he did stay there longer before being revived, and continued to train, right? He remained there for another 130 days, So I'd wager another significant increase, say to 300k. After being wished back, he would also train. for a year and a half (or whatever the canon timeframe was) before Goku's return from Yardrat. So he should be around 400k. Then there was the 3 year gap for training before the Androids arrived. Piccolo made an increase from like 1,7 million to like 190 million or so, while Goku definitely made a lesser jump, but he had Super Saiyan to boost him many times over. But Tien definitely improved a lot in the training period, I think he could have gone to as much as say, 11 million in Base by then. And at this time he managed to stop Semi-Perfect Cell with his Neo-Kikoho. While the attack was enough to stop Cell but not enough to inflict any damage, I think its multiplier was at around 150x. Semi-Perfect Cell's power would be at around 2 billion pre power up, so Tien's Neo Kikoho would have to be at around 1,7 billion (but not more) to do what it did. I think that getting from 11 million to 60 million in 7 years would be no big deal for Tien. His Kikoho would be enough to obliterate Frieza even at 100% anyhow.



CritifyBlaster	Apr 3 2013, 05:34 PM Post #73
Super Blaster Posts: 378 Group: Member Member #9,084 Joined: February 21, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball- every series GT never existed in my head What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Bleach	He used a technique.. I forgot its name, lets call it square ki thingy, the tech that he used on Cell when Piccolo was fighting against Android #17, and he managed to use it several times, Im sure 2 or 3 of that could own 50% Freeza. Tien wins this kinda easily



Xfing	Apr 3 2013, 05:40 PM Post #74
Posts: 817 Group: Member Member #5,616 Joined: January 11, 2011	Neo Kikoho. It seems to have insane amplification, mostly because it draws on genki as well as standard ki.



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