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| Tien (End of DBZ) vs Frieza 50% Final Form; Take your bets | |
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| soldier223 | Aug 8 2010, 10:09 PM Post #31 |
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Now, I understand the movies havr never held much relavence to to series plot, but Tien did match Trunks for at least a while in the Bojack movie. ( Till Trunks unnessasary SSJ transformation). And im almost positive that if Gohan could wipe out Frieza in a single blow (Janemba movie), then base Trunks could do the same. And Tien took a full power hit from SSJ trunks and was ok. |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 8 2010, 10:24 PM Post #32 |
 
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That movie has never made any sense in accordance to the manga when talking about the humans' powers. I think in the Japanese version Trunks even says he won't hold back on Tien, then goes Super Saiyan. Really? Trunks has to go Super Saiyan to beat Tien? I call bull*****. |
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| Sam | Aug 8 2010, 11:01 PM Post #33 |
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Kamikaze is absolutely right. You guys are using pure anime filler to prove a point. There is no point. You are wrong. Tenshinhan will have lost this fight, with ease. I trust his power level analysis, which supports my "he could maybe take first form Freeza" but not, definitely not, anything after that. |
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| Nusu | Aug 9 2010, 05:35 AM Post #34 |
Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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Well, nice research. Why? I said he is at least 900.000 - 1.000.000 so basicly i was close. Consider him that he was a old man? He surely trained as he was young, And even then he lost to a kid. Edited by Nusu, Aug 9 2010, 05:37 AM.
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| Lavisdragoon | Jun 29 2012, 03:15 PM Post #35 |
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I know this is a VERY old topic, but I have some points that need to be made. 1. Tien has more moves than the Tri-Beam. Way more. Forgetting DB? He has the Dodon Ray (which is similar to Frieza and Vegeta's Death Beam), he is the INVENTOR of the Solar Flare, a technique that consistently bails characters out of peril, the Spirit Burst, a version of the Kaio-ken that he invented on his own, the ability to mimic any technique he's seen only once, and the Four Witches Technique (Possibly his most powerful physical ability), which allows him to sprout two more bloody arms. One of his more rarely seen techniques, the Multiform, is also very powerful if used properly. 2. He is indeed human. He's of the Three-Eyes tribe, according to the Daizenshuu 4. This isn't actually a problem. It's never been that humans have limited potential and that Saiyans do not, because everything has a limit. It can be theorized that any of the human fighters could push themselves above and beyond SS1s, or possibly even SS2s if they really worked at it. His race aside, he's a very versatile, experienced fighter and shouldn't be discredited. He is also very shrewd in battle, with a battle sense almost as refined as Goku's. 3. His power level is far higher than 1,000,000. In the movie Bojack Unbound, he was able to hold his own in a match with Future Trunks in base form. Future Trunks was far more powerful than Goku was on Namek (On Namek, after the Ginyu battles and without the Kaio-Ken, Goku's power level was approximately 3,000,000. With the 20x Kaio-Ken active, his power level spiked to 60,000,000, which is dead even with Frieza's 50% power form). Granted, the second Future Trunks turned SS1, Tien was dominated. I'd have to say Tien's Power Level is somewhere close to 65,000,000 by the end of Z. He began his intense training in 761, and DBZ ended in 784. So he trained for about 23 years. While the intensity of this training varied, he was never curtsying his way through it. 4. Tien put up a great fight against Semi-Perfect Cell while he could. While he did little damage to Cell, he held him IN PLACE, and Cell did show that it didn't exactly tickle. Additionally, Tien and Krillin are similar in strength, with Krillin being perhaps a little stronger. That being said, Krillin put up a decent fight against Imperfect Cell, who had killed the Future Trunks of HIS timeline, which is seperate from the two main timelines seen in Z. I won't say Tien's VERY powerful, as he was quickly overpowered by Android 17, but at the time when Krillin fought Imperfect Cell, he was not yet strong enough to defeat 17, as per his own admission. 5. (Side notes) Before you argue canonicity, every movie's story, save the Broly series and Wrath of the Dragon, was written by Akira Toriyama himself. As for Filler, I'd love for people to tell Mr. Toriyama his stuff's not canon to his face. Just Saiyan. Additionally, for reference only, Broly, Bojack, and Perfect Cell have a power level of 1,400,000,000 or so apiece. Frieza was a mere 120,000,000. You can take that how you like. Conclusion: Unlike the Saiyans, Tien wouldn't give Frieza a chance to power up, and Frieza can't power up to 100% on a dime. Frieza tends to underestimate his enemies, and would most likely start at 1-10% power as he did with Vegeta, Krillin, Gohan and Piccolo. Tien would definitely get a powerful hit or two in before Frieza would get serious, and if need be, he can get in a Solar Flare and blind him while he finishes Frieza off by putting everything into a Dodon Ray headshot or Neo-Tri-Beam. |
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Dont take movie logic when it comes to compering someones powers. Its never stated that he trained intense like Vegeta and Goku during those 7 years. Its only stated that he will continue to live with healthy life ( training ). Tri beam is actual force that is pushing Semi Perfect Cell to ground. If its energy atk like kamehameha he would probably have biggest destructive ki blast multiply in entire dbz. Krillin is stated by Yamcha to be strongest human in Boo saga. That is Akira Toriyama talking trough Yamcha because it wouldnt make sence if he says something like that. Its not like Yamcha is Vegeta when it comes to power comparison. Maybe in EoZ Tien is still training, while Krillin got weaker which is probably Tien > Krillin. Power level of 1,400,000,000 is from Budokai 3 game for LSSJ Broly, not official from daizenshuu. |
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Jun 29 2012, 03:28 PM Post #37 |
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We know that Tien trained for 7 years though. It's even stated that he went on a ''training journey.'' |
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| Lavisdragoon | Jun 29 2012, 03:33 PM Post #38 |
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1. If you're going to do this right, you have to use ALL SOURCES. Not just the ones you choose. Also, I didn't say anything about Vegeta and Goku's training. That's really not a fair comparison. Have you SEEN the way Vegeta trains? I'm comparing him to HUMANS, not SAIYANS. They're fundamentally different. 2. The Tri-Beam is an energy wave. It has the largest destructive force potential of any attack, but uses Tien's life force as a source of power. It's not something you use as you like. It is very much his last resort. 3. V-Jump is just as official as the Daizenshuu. It states SS1 Gogeta's power level as well. http://media.animevice.com/uploads/2/28120/549831-458px-V2_super.jpg |
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Jun 29 2012, 03:41 PM Post #39 |
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Daizenhuu says that Tri-Beam is force that is pushing Semi Perefect Cell. That power level you mentioned is for Budokai 3 game. Not movie characters. One reason: Cooler in V-jump Budokai 3 is stated to have pl of 470,000,000. Unless you belive that Base Gogeta is barley stronger than Cooler who got beaten by SSJ Goku movie 5. Then you get SSJ Goku movie 5 > Base Gogeta which doesnt make any sence going by that. |
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| Lavisdragoon | Jun 29 2012, 03:52 PM Post #40 |
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Base Gogeta is never even seen, thus you really can't say anything about it. His power level as a Super Saiyan is 2,200,000,000. That's WAY higher than Cooler's. The power levels stated ARE official, not only for the games. They're some of the few Post-Frieza levels actually shown. We're talking about increments of hundred millions, mate. Pretty big gaps. ALSO, the Tri-Beam is an energy wave. The Kamehameha Wave is an energy wave. The Galick Gun is an energy wave. The Tri-Beam isn't continuous and as such lacks piercing power, and there's the major difference. PS: Stay on topic, Cooler, Broly and Gogeta's power levels are really irrelevant. I was using them as a ceiling for PLs, if you will. |
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Jun 29 2012, 04:00 PM Post #41 |
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Well you go by V jump so we must use official 50x boost for SSJ. Tell Daizenshuu that Tri-beam is like kamehameha. Sry man but that is wrong. Cooler,Broly and Gogeta power level are for Budokai 3 game. Use google for more info and you will see. One more proof : V-jump says that Nail is 4,200. Daizesnhuu says Nail is 42,000. Its pretty obvious that V-jump is not official. Edited by Super Vegetto, Jun 29 2012, 04:00 PM.
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| + supersaqer | Jun 29 2012, 04:05 PM Post #42 |
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I think Tien stomps, and badly. I have him stronger than Imperfect Cell and Android 16 by a bit. Android Saga Tien would trash 50% Freeza easily. |
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| Lavisdragoon | Jun 29 2012, 04:08 PM Post #43 |
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Sigh. The 50x boost for SSJ is inferred to have lessened considerably with its use. Base form probably just caught up. An example, Base-form Goku holding his own against Yakon, a being with a power level of over 1/4 that of his FPSS form. What you should use is the Dragon Ball wikia and cross-reference it with the Daizenshuu and V-Jumps you already have. Neither of them are 100% right for everything. Shonen Jump publishes Dragon Ball. Obviously they wouldn't be spouting bulls**t. The Daizenshuu isn't the fountain of information everyone thinks it is. But give Jump some credit, would ya? |
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Jun 29 2012, 04:11 PM Post #44 |
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 Goku without Kaio ken is 180,000. Not correct. Frieza is on 1mill. Its stated in daizenshu and manga that its over 1mill not exacty 1 mill. So not correct. Vegeta is 250,000. Vegeta cant rival Friezas 530,000 with 250,000. Vegeta is much closer in powers compered to V-jump scan. So not correct. Nail is 4,200. Not correct. Open topic about Broly,Cooler and SSJ Gogeta power level from V-jump and you will see that its from Budokai 3 game and overall it dosent make sence. |
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| Lavisdragoon | Jun 29 2012, 04:19 PM Post #45 |
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It's stating Goku's power level vs. Ginyu, not Frieza himself. Saying his power level is over 1 mil and not exactly 1 mil when all he said was that it was over as much is just nitpicking. Vegeta's power level is shown as of his Zenkai after the battle with Recoome. As for Nail, they probably just missed a zero. Sh*t happens. I don't know why you're going on about Broly, Cooler and Gogeta. It's not like the video games veer away from typical power levels. They may not be canon, but they're pretty faithful to character power. PS - This thread is about Tien. Can we get back to that, kthx? @ supersaqer, I don't think he's stronger than 16. Remember that 16 is considerably more powerful than 17, and Tien was soundly defeated by 17. |
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