Tien (End of DBZ) vs Frieza 50% Final Form

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Tien (End of DBZ) vs Frieza 50% Final Form; Take your bets
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Emperor Cold	Dec 2 2009, 08:12 AM Post #16
Makaioshin Posts: 317 Group: Member Member #3,724 Joined: October 5, 2008 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/GT (yes I like GT...imagine that!) Detective Conan, FMA (original), Yu Yu Hakusho Favourite Manga Anything by Akira Toriyama	Qwuall Dec 1 2009, 07:18 PM Quote: Tien and the other other humans were only increasing by increments of hundreds in dragonball and early dragonball z per year now apparently he's making jumps of millions per year (just to come close to Frieza). You can't just say that because goku also only increased in hundreds during dragonball. The only reason Goku got a good lead In Z was because he trained with king kai and then had a really incredible Zenkai power up before frieza. Everyone in the show increased exponetionally. The reason Goku got a good lead in Z was because he was a Saiyan just reaching full adulthood. And the fundamental difference between Saiyans and Humans is that Saiyans have unlimited potential and humans do not. At some point, a human's strength will peak and all training will do is keep them in shape. The only reason Tien's tri-beam did so well against Cell was because the ratio of the attack's power to his base power was so vast that even small increases in Tien's base power would result in a massive increase in the attack's power. When he used it in the tournament, it was already a Z-level technique, so naturally by the time the Cell saga rolled around it would be quite formidable, but that doesn't mean Tien's own power had increased a great deal. I'll allow that Tien could kill Frieza with a tri-beam, but it didn't strike me as a particularly quick attack. I think Frieza could dodge it with little difficulty. Cooler, I agree with everything you said.



Super Goku	Dec 2 2009, 11:02 PM Post #17
Vizard Jinchurikii Posts: 966 Group: Member Member #4,266 Joined: June 26, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Naruto	actually, remember when Bootenks was fighting everyone? Tien jumped in, and blew away one of his energy blasts with a tri beam. like it was nothing. however, then Bootenks did a huge energy ball and Tien was like "i cant block that!" or something. he also got knocked out with one kick from boo. soooo he did improve. and who says tien is a natural human? i believe the daizenshuu said tien was an alien of the "third-eye" species or something crazy. Other sources say he is "enlightened". either way, he's better than human, so i wouldnt say he's only limited to yamcha or kurirun strength. he has more potential. especially if he's as hardcore a trainer as vegeta and piccolo.l
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Stoney	Dec 9 2009, 01:41 AM Post #18
Posts: 40 Group: Member Member #4,625 Joined: December 8, 2009	I like to think of Tenshinhan as being leauges ahead of the other minor characters. For a start, he's not human, there are reliable references that state that he's descended from the "three eyed race", there are no other humans with three eyes, OR any humans who can sprout extra arms. Therefore it would not be fair to group him in with the humans. As others have said, his Kikoho is an incredible move, it was able to keep Cell down. And yes he deflected one of Buu's blasts and survived a kick which surely should have killed him. Ten appears to have no life but to train and get stronger, whenever we see him in the manga he's training. In the Buu saga Krillin and Yamcha wear casual clothes, they've obviously given up altogether, Ten however still wheres combat gear and is obviously still training. Whether he's up to Frieza at 50% is pretty tricky though, i'm undecided. Although i'm pretty certain that if his kikoho can keep Cell down then it will easily defeat Frieza, if only he had a chance to use it.



GohanVidel	Feb 4 2010, 04:27 AM Post #19
Posts: 502 Group: Member Member #4,600 Joined: November 28, 2009	i think frieza is under rated because the saiyans keep multiplying there there power level and the enemies keep growing in strenght like the andriods to cell to buu the end thing is Frieza is on par with a regular super saiyan. not acended of ultimate super saiyan but normal. Actually he is less than a super saiyan but fairly eqaul. A super saiyan is somthing of legend. There power is legendary. so wouldnt frieza's be the same. Also he was the most powerful being in the universe for a while. i dont think tein could beat him in a fight. yes the tribeam would work because it worked on a more powerful being - semi perfect cell. fireza > tien another way of rephrasing the question is if tien is as strong as a super saiyan ,, the answer is nooo Edited by GohanVidel, Feb 4 2010, 04:32 AM.
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soldier223	Aug 8 2010, 09:31 AM Post #20
Posts: 131 Group: Member Member #5,115 Joined: August 8, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z	Cooler Oct 9 2009, 06:56 PM cmay119 Oct 9 2009, 06:51 PM Hi Cooler, thanks for you input. Hmm... You don't believe the training he did since the Frieza saga (preparing for the Androids) and subsequent training all the way through till the end of DBZ didn't increase his powerlevel enough, huh? I have to believe Tien was at the very least as strong as base form Goku during the Frieza battle (under the impression he was actually quite a bit stronger than that). The difference in power is vast. Frieza has a PL at 50% of 60 million I believe and Tien at the end of the Saiyan Saga was under 2000...thats a difference of 30,000! Tien isn't a saiyan he doesn't get boosts from just fighting or near death experiences there's just no way he could compete with Frieza. Frieza was the most powerful fighter in the universe even in his 1st form, there's no way Tien is going to be able to compare to being like Frieza no matter how much training he does. I have a hard time believing even Goku/Vegeta/Gohan had increased their base strengths by 100 times to be able to match Frieza without going Super Saiyan in the 10 years after Namek. Gohan took out Frieza in a single punch in the Janemba Movie with out even hitting SSJ. And to the Tien reply, Tien did manage to hold off Semi-Perfect Cell which at that point only Vegeta and Trunks had the power to kill him. With that said, Tien is only human but takes his training as serious as Piccolo and Vegeta and is constantly trying to keep up with his alien comrades. Even though it was through a near-suicidal Neo Tri-Beam attack that held off Cell and and not hand to hand combat, it still says quite a bit for the guy. He is the most powerful non alien in the Universe. In the Bojack movie, Trunks went SSJ to defeat him (a little unneccasary if you ask me). But im sure he could of ended Frieza with and attack like that, though probrably not through melee combatives.



+ Pyrus	Aug 8 2010, 05:29 PM Post #21
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Tien's Shin Kikoho (Neo Tri-Beam) didn't do any damage to Cell. It was only holding him back. People saying it was hurting him need to read it again. Tien's not getting anywhere near Final Form Freeza. Wow. He'd need to be as strong as Goku was and that's not happening. Goku needed a Zenkai from the fight with Vegeta, a Zenkai from training in 100G plus the boost from that training, and yet another (although rather godly) Zenkai to put him even close to Freeza's suppressed power. Tien doesn't get boosts from training like Goku and he surely doesn't get Zenkais. There is no way Tien is getting strong enough to even touch this form of Freeza. If this was 1st Form Freeza, he'd have an increment of a chance, but unfortunately it's not. Tien loses horribly, even with his Shin Kikoho.
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Nusu	Aug 8 2010, 06:53 PM Post #22
Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr. Posts: 5,541 Group: Member Member #4,999 Joined: July 1, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, One Piece, Yu-Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, One Piece, Death Note, Yu-Yu Hakusho	soldier223 Aug 8 2010, 09:31 AM Cooler Oct 9 2009, 06:56 PM cmay119 Oct 9 2009, 06:51 PM Hi Cooler, thanks for you input. Hmm... You don't believe the training he did since the Frieza saga (preparing for the Androids) and subsequent training all the way through till the end of DBZ didn't increase his powerlevel enough, huh? I have to believe Tien was at the very least as strong as base form Goku during the Frieza battle (under the impression he was actually quite a bit stronger than that). The difference in power is vast. Frieza has a PL at 50% of 60 million I believe and Tien at the end of the Saiyan Saga was under 2000...thats a difference of 30,000! Tien isn't a saiyan he doesn't get boosts from just fighting or near death experiences there's just no way he could compete with Frieza. Frieza was the most powerful fighter in the universe even in his 1st form, there's no way Tien is going to be able to compare to being like Frieza no matter how much training he does. I have a hard time believing even Goku/Vegeta/Gohan had increased their base strengths by 100 times to be able to match Frieza without going Super Saiyan in the 10 years after Namek. Gohan took out Frieza in a single punch in the Janemba Movie with out even hitting SSJ. And to the Tien reply, Tien did manage to hold off Semi-Perfect Cell which at that point only Vegeta and Trunks had the power to kill him. With that said, Tien is only human but takes his training as serious as Piccolo and Vegeta and is constantly trying to keep up with his alien comrades. Even though it was through a near-suicidal Neo Tri-Beam attack that held off Cell and and not hand to hand combat, it still says quite a bit for the guy. He is the most powerful non alien in the Universe. In the Bojack movie, Trunks went SSJ to defeat him (a little unneccasary if you ask me). But im sure he could of ended Frieza with and attack like that, though probrably not through melee combatives. Tien did barely damage to Semi Cell, He was just holding him off, So the others can escape. Back to Tien frieza would murder him, Tien dosen´t have the feat´s of a Saiyan, Saiyan get stronger as long as they fight, They get zenkai boost, Tien wasn´t much stronger then Krillin if not stronger, I´m on of those who consider Tien the strongest human, And Krillin was under then 10 mill range much weaker then Frieza Final Form 50% who was 100.000.000 at the time.
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+ Pyrus	Aug 8 2010, 07:27 PM Post #23
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I don't think any of the humans surpassed 1,000,000 even by the end of Z. It's just insane to me.
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Nusu	Aug 8 2010, 07:34 PM Post #24
Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr. Posts: 5,541 Group: Member Member #4,999 Joined: July 1, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, One Piece, Yu-Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, One Piece, Death Note, Yu-Yu Hakusho	Its not insane, Krillin and Tien are super human´s, Tien trained after the Cell Saga 7 years of training and he didn´t get above the 1 mill range? Lol, Thats insane.
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+ Pyrus	Aug 8 2010, 07:36 PM Post #25
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Nusu Aug 8 2010, 07:34 PM Its not insane, Krillin and Tien are super human´s, Tien trained after the Cell Saga 7 years of training and he didn´t get above the 1 mill range? Lol, Thats insane. Can you explain how they can get as strong as Vegeta, who needed like 4 Zenkais to even get over the 1,000,000 mark? And they only had training on Earth. Edited by Pyrus, Aug 8 2010, 07:37 PM.
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Nusu	Aug 8 2010, 07:40 PM Post #26
Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr. Posts: 5,541 Group: Member Member #4,999 Joined: July 1, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, One Piece, Yu-Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, One Piece, Death Note, Yu-Yu Hakusho	How can i explain? Well, How can you explain how Piccolo was able to overcome the 1 mill range? In the 3 years wait saga? Tien is a good martial artist he became stronger then Recoome, Jeice, Barta and Guldo by just training by King Kai meanwhile Goku became 8.000 only with King Kai.
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Sam	Aug 8 2010, 07:40 PM Post #27
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+ Pyrus	Aug 8 2010, 07:53 PM Post #28
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Nusu Aug 8 2010, 07:40 PM How can i explain? Well, How can you explain how Piccolo was able to overcome the 1 mill range? In the 3 years wait saga? Tien is a good martial artist he became stronger then Recoome, Jeice, Barta and Guldo by just training by King Kai meanwhile Goku became 8.000 only with King Kai. Piccolo's a Namekian. He's shown to get huge increases in power before while the humans have not. I believe Piccolo had already surpassed the 2,000,000 mark by the time Goku arrives back on Earth, but that's just opinion. You're using anime filler to prove Tien is stronger than the Ginyu Force. It doesn't count.
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Nusu	Aug 8 2010, 08:02 PM Post #29
Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr. Posts: 5,541 Group: Member Member #4,999 Joined: July 1, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, One Piece, Yu-Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, One Piece, Death Note, Yu-Yu Hakusho	Oh like Piccolo Daimao showed potential? He is probably one of the weakest Namek´s, So, I consider atleast Tien to be 900.000 - 1.000.000 sorry, matter of opinion. Edited by Nusu, Aug 8 2010, 08:03 PM.
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+ Pyrus	Aug 8 2010, 08:13 PM Post #30
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Nusu Aug 8 2010, 08:02 PM Oh like Piccolo Daimao showed potential? He is probably one of the weakest Namek´s, So, I consider atleast Tien to be 900.000 - 1.000.000 sorry, matter of opinion. One of the weakest overall, but not during his time. We never saw him train either, so he doesn't really count. I've done research on this very topic of how strong the humans would grow. The highest I got Tien was almsot 800,000. I'll even post the section on Tien. It's still all opinion really, but it's using the 1.2x method and whatnot. Spoiler: click to toggle Tien - Beginning of DBZ: 250 - Saiyan fight: 1,800 Difference = 7.2x Goku received a near 20x increase training on Kaio’s planet. The humans said they wanted “even harder” training, so we’ll give them a generous 30x boost. - Post-Kaio training: 54,000 (NOTE: a PL of 60,000 was stated to be enough to trash the Ginyu Force except the Captain) Difference = 30x Tien then returned to Earth before the Trunks mini-saga, and we can assume he continued training. With only Chaozu and no extra gravity, a years’ worth of training won’t benefit him much. - Trunks saga: 64,800 Difference: 1.2x Given that it’s been implied and it’s pretty obvious that training on Earth with only partners and no gravity chamber gives an alarmingly weaker increase than with increased gravity and the like, the humans increasing their strength by about 4.5x is a hefty and generous boost (higher than the Saiyans got), not to mention the stronger you get the less effective regular training is. - 3 years later: 291,600 Difference: 4.5x They then had 12 days to train in between the Android fights and the Cell Games. With only 12 days and just normal Earth conditions, it’s safe to assume they didn’t even double their power. A 1.05x difference is definitely generous. - Cell Games: 306,180 Difference: 1.05x Tien is the only human stated and seen to have continued his training after the Cell Games. We know he didn’t train as intensely as before, as he’d given up trying to catch Goku. - Boo Arc: 765,450 Difference: 2.5x Edited by Pyrus, Aug 8 2010, 11:07 PM.
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