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Goku (Cell Games) vs. Dabura (full power)
Topic Started: Sep 26 2009, 01:34 AM (2,231 Views)
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Who would win this fight?
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It Depends I Forgot Did Goku Know Super Sayin 2 And Did he Go Super Sayin 3 to Defeat. DUbura


If So Then Dubara would Win because It would be An Asended Sayin Vs A Full Demon
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Sep 26 2009, 01:42 AM
It Depends I Forgot Did Goku Know Super Sayin 2 And Did he Go Super Sayin 3 to Defeat. DUbura


If So Then Dubara would Win because It would be An Asended Sayin Vs A Full Demon
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Dabura is supposed to be as powerful as Cell, as Goku was weaker than Cell I would think it would be very unlikely that he would win. Goku also couldnt become a SSJ2 at that time.
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Goku would've beaten Cell if he couldn't regenerate, remember when he blew him away from the chest up? If Goku could pull off that move (IT kamehameha) against Dabura, it would kill him.
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Sep 26 2009, 05:04 AM
Goku would've beaten Cell if he couldn't regenerate, remember when he blew him away from the chest up? If Goku could pull off that move (IT kamehameha) against Dabura, it would kill him.
Yea but that's like saying Dabura would win because of his spit. I'm not saying you don't have a point Cold because it is a factor. Both Goku's Instant Kamehameha and Daburas spit were very surprising I think it depends on more than just attack comparisons. This is a legit battle, I think it could go either way. Gohan was definitely weak in both intensity and power when he faced Dabura who was holding his own but because the battle never finished it's hard to say if he was so clearly the winner. Goku was giving it everything he had against Cell with new attacks, speed and skill but still he knew it wasn't enough which is why he chose to forfeit. I think I favor Goku in this one but it could honestly go either way in my opinion.

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Well, I suppose i could try to find out Dabura's power. Goku compared Dabura to Cell. However, many people said on previous threads that Goku never understood the true deph of Cell's power. So, this is quite debatable. We'll have to break this down even more. Cell faught a tougher, angrier, and more powerful SS2 Gohan than Dabura. By the time of the Buu saga SS2 Gohan's power dropped a lot. Yet, he was fairly evenly matched with Dabura, who had the slight edge. So, let's place Dabura between Cell (surpressed power) and Cell max power. Goku who was struggling at Cell (surpressed) would be no match for Dabura if he was near Cell max power. I don't think Goku has as much of a chance of winning this as you may think. I give this to Dabura.
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Indeed, Cell was holding back a LOT of power against Goku. If Dabura was even as strong as maxed out Perfect Cell, Goku would get it handed to him.

if Dabura was as strong as Super Perfect Cell (AKA, Cell after he blew himself up and came back stronger), then it wouldn't even be a fight. Goku would go down in a few hits.

Also, while Goku originally compared Dabura to Cell, later in Dabura and Gohan's fight he said he was wrong, and that Dabura was stronger then he first thought.
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Sep 26 2009, 01:36 PM
Also, while Goku originally compared Dabura to Cell, later in Dabura and Gohan's fight he said he was wrong, and that Dabura was stronger then he first thought.
So are you saying Dabura is stronger than Cell making him more powerful than Cell Games Goku? It doesn't make sense to me because Gohan was definitely weaker than he used to be when he faced Dabura.

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Well, Goku might of meant stronger then Cell before he self-destructed. Gohan at SSJ2 would still be enough to equal regular Perfect Cell, even if he was a LOT weaker.

Cell Game SSJ2 Gohan > Super Perfect Cell > Dabura >= SSJ2 Adult Gohan > Perfect Cell.

Something like that. Goku's statement would still be be true if he was talking about Perfect Cell, not Super Perfect.

Anyway Goku can't win this fight regardless. Even a suppressed Perfect Cell was too much for Goku to handle, and Dabura is definitely stronger then at least suppressed power Cell.
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Sep 27 2009, 03:28 AM
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According to Psyam Dabura would win this. I guess that could make sense, to me it could go either way. I think it would depend on every little thing in the battle. Dabura has the advantage though overall. It's hard to say if he was even trying as hard when he faced Gohan, and we know Goku gave it his all. So Dabura would win but again I think it'd be a good close match.

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Sep 27 2009, 12:15 AM
Well, Goku might of meant stronger then Cell before he self-destructed. Gohan at SSJ2 would still be enough to equal regular Perfect Cell, even if he was a LOT weaker.

Cell Game SSJ2 Gohan > Super Perfect Cell > Dabura >= SSJ2 Adult Gohan > Perfect Cell.

Something like that. Goku's statement would still be be true if he was talking about Perfect Cell, not Super Perfect.

Anyway Goku can't win this fight regardless. Even a suppressed Perfect Cell was too much for Goku to handle, and Dabura is definitely stronger then at least suppressed power Cell.
I agree... Goku(cell games) would get his a$$ kicked for sure by Dabura, there isn't much to explain there, it is obvious. But i am interested in this one thing:

Dabura >= SSJ2 Adult Gohan


Dabura about equal to SSJ2 adult Gohan....how come??? Gohan was never ssj2 when he fought Dabura...he was only ssj2 one time at the tournament when Yamu and Spopovich drained his power. How could you guess this? There is a huge power gap between Gohan's FPSSJ(or what ever you guys call his ultimate normal ssj form) and SSJ2. Even if he got weaker over those 7 years, I think if Gohan really went ssj2, he would have killed Dabura.
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Sep 28 2009, 10:16 PM
Psyam
Sep 27 2009, 12:15 AM
Well, Goku might of meant stronger then Cell before he self-destructed. Gohan at SSJ2 would still be enough to equal regular Perfect Cell, even if he was a LOT weaker.

Cell Game SSJ2 Gohan > Super Perfect Cell > Dabura >= SSJ2 Adult Gohan > Perfect Cell.

Something like that. Goku's statement would still be be true if he was talking about Perfect Cell, not Super Perfect.

Anyway Goku can't win this fight regardless. Even a suppressed Perfect Cell was too much for Goku to handle, and Dabura is definitely stronger then at least suppressed power Cell.
I agree... Goku(cell games) would get his a$$ kicked for sure by Dabura, there isn't much to explain there, it is obvious. But i am interested in this one thing:

Dabura >= SSJ2 Adult Gohan


Dabura about equal to SSJ2 adult Gohan....how come??? Gohan was never ssj2 when he fought Dabura...he was only ssj2 one time at the tournament when Yamu and Spopovich drained his power. How could you guess this? There is a huge power gap between Gohan's FPSSJ(or what ever you guys call his ultimate normal ssj form) and SSJ2. Even if he got weaker over those 7 years, I think if Gohan really went ssj2, he would have killed Dabura.
It depends on how you look at things. Gohan was most likely SS2 when he faught Dabura. It's the only logical explanation on why he was able to somewhat keep up with Dabura, who as I said earlier is around Cell at max power. There is no way that SS Gohan would be able to keep up with Dabura. They probably forgot to add the lightning.
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Sep 28 2009, 10:16 PM
I agree... Goku(cell games) would get his a$$ kicked for sure by Dabura, there isn't much to explain there, it is obvious. But i am interested in this one thing:

Dabura >= SSJ2 Adult Gohan


Dabura about equal to SSJ2 adult Gohan....how come??? Gohan was never ssj2 when he fought Dabura...he was only ssj2 one time at the tournament when Yamu and Spopovich drained his power. How could you guess this? There is a huge power gap between Gohan's FPSSJ(or what ever you guys call his ultimate normal ssj form) and SSJ2. Even if he got weaker over those 7 years, I think if Gohan really went ssj2, he would have killed Dabura.
I used to be of the opinion Gohan was only SSJ2 at the tournament, but thinking about it, if Gohan really had got quite a lot weaker, he wouldn't of been able to do anything against Dabura. He'd be weaker then Goku at the Cell Games in his SSJ1 form, and even suppressed Perfect Cell was able to beat Goku...and Dabura was definitely stronger then suppressed Perfect Cell.

Unless Dabura was toying with Gohan the entire time, Gohan should of lost very quickly at SSJ1, so I figure now he just must of been SSJ2, but the lightening was forgotten.
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I agree there is no way Gohan could have kept up with Dabura at just a maxed out SSJ1 level. Goku initially stated that Dabura was probably around Cells level however after seeing him fight he was stated to be a lot stronger than he thought. Therefore IMO Dabura is likely even stronger than full power Perfect Cell though probably not quite at Super Perfect level.

Basically Dabura would swiftly crush Goku, maybe a IT kamehaha would be enough to take out Dabura but I don't see Goku doing that from the off so he'd be beaten.
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