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Rock is Dead
Topic Started: Sep 15 2009, 04:14 AM (193 Views)
Viddy Veechi	Sep 17 2009, 01:33 PM Post #16
If I Could, Would You? Posts: 3,608 Group: Super Moderator Member #1,545 Joined: July 5, 2006 Favourite Anime Bleach, Dragonball Z, TMOHS, Naruto, FMA What Browser do you use? Firefox	Linkin Park is not half rap and havent been since Meteora in 2004, that's if you can even call what Mike Shinoda does actual rap. And anyway if you noticed, their latest releases have been alternative, aside from a collaboration with Busta Rhymes. New Found Glory are rock. Im not a big fan, but you cant be telling me that they AREN'T rock. Just because they sound like a bunch of babies whining, doesnt make them anything less. It's just not to your taste, and by the way you argue, I can gather that anything that isn't to your taste, constitutes that they are in someway false. Aside from your obvious dislike or lack of knowledge, I can say that I've at least heard of, if not the music they play, but know the names of all the bands listed by Strawberry. They are all incredibly popular bands, in fact, to most hardcore music fans, it'd be a crime that you didn't recognise nearly all of the names listed there (except for where "Red Hot" was mentioned, in which case I'm assuming it's Red Hot Chili Peppers). But to say even classic rock is dead, is only a definition. By classic, what you're refferring to is the original Rock and Roll played by Elvis and The Beatles and The Rolling Stones etc, but that's only because they were some of the first to produce that music. There are plenty of older rock artists, such as T.Rex, Motorhead, Sweet, Slade and The Clash, some of whom you may never have heard of. But their influence on society was that the bands of today were inspired by them, and in turn aspiring musicians like myself are inspired by both "generations" if you will. It's just a history of rock that we're talking about here, but when we're older, our kids probably won't be listening to Evanescence, Jimi Hendrix or Fall Out Boy, Lenny Kravitz, The Beatles, Bloc Party, Seether, Eric Clapton or Nirvana as if they were brand new. Those artists will be "What mum and dad listen to" or "What grandma and grandad listen to", and in turn, they will be regarded as classic, as odd as it might sound right now. You are right that a lot of rock bands these days use deep lyrics, but I dont agree that its only rock bands from the present, or even just rock bands that use those kinds of lyrics. An example of a current band like this could be Evanescence, but in turn, they and other artists may have listened to The Cure, or Nirvana, who then will have taken musical influence from David Bowie, or The Beatles. And yeah, at the roots of it they weren't ALWAYS singing about sad stuff, but in comparison, The Beatles and Bowie dominated the music industry. Bowie has written so many songs that he has to re-make his own songs. But in comparison to then, when rock first started out, rock bands these days that produce sadder lyrics, may just be trying to put a spin on beautiful music by writing such sad lyrics, OR they might want to focus on the market of people that like that kind of music. If they want more fans, they'll collaborate with another artist. Things just change like that, so music isnt always going to be "classic rock". And hey, if that's not enough for you, just listen to some Neo-Classic Rock, by someone that makes music through the influence of the classic artists.
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Mc Esse	Sep 17 2009, 01:57 PM Post #17
<3 Posts: 863 Group: Member Member #4,041 Joined: March 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Inuyasha What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Quote: Linkin Park is not half rap and havent been since Meteora in 2004, that's if you can even call what Mike Shinoda does actual rap. And anyway if you noticed, their latest releases have been alternative, aside from a collaboration with Busta Rhymes. New Found Glory are rock. Im not a big fan, but you cant be telling me that they AREN'T rock. Just because they sound like a bunch of babies whining, doesnt make them anything less. It's just not to your taste, and by the way you argue, I can gather that anything that isn't to your taste, constitutes that they are in someway false. I could have sworn Minutes To Midnight, despite being they did was rap for the whole song. I have the CD, it was their best. Although like I said they're half rap. They have 2 CDs where rap is heard alot and they have one CD where it's rarely heard! I don't like it when rap and rock mix, prefer them on their own. It's not bad, don't get me wrong, but it's not great. Although of all the bands that do that Linkin Park pretty much owns the competition. When you have a rapper who can play guitar, piano and also sing good, that's always something special. Either a music genius or a talented musician. And by the way, I used to listen to New Found Glory, their music is like Blink 182. Call them a boy band with guitars! I hate that. Their voices are ugly, and they can't play guitar! Quote: You are right that a lot of rock bands these days use deep lyrics, but I dont agree that its only rock bands from the present, or even just rock bands that use those kinds of lyrics. An example of a current band like this could be Evanescence, but in turn, they and other artists may have listened to The Cure, or Nirvana, who then will have taken musical influence from David Bowie, or The Beatles. And yeah, at the roots of it they weren't ALWAYS singing about sad stuff, but in comparison, The Beatles and Bowie dominated the music industry. Bowie has written so many songs that he has to re-make his own songs. But in comparison to then, when rock first started out, rock bands these days that produce sadder lyrics, may just be trying to put a spin on beautiful music by writing such sad lyrics, OR they might want to focus on the market of people that like that kind of music. If they want more fans, they'll collaborate with another artist. Things just change like that, so music isnt always going to be "classic rock". Well it's a sad day when I say I can hear more David Bowie and 80's glam influence from a Lady Gaga song, than most bands who say their influenced by glam and David Bowie. Btw, I love Motorhead and Fall Out Boy is an example of how rock is dead. We say they play rock, but it sounds like crap. mainstream Rock has been diminished to crap in the year 2009. I'm sure there are many underground scenes that play like Pink Floyd and whatnot, although why is mainstream rock so scrappy!? Back in the day mainstream rock was actually great! Edited by Mc Esse, Sep 17 2009, 01:57 PM.
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Viddy Veechi	Sep 17 2009, 02:08 PM Post #18
If I Could, Would You? Posts: 3,608 Group: Super Moderator Member #1,545 Joined: July 5, 2006 Favourite Anime Bleach, Dragonball Z, TMOHS, Naruto, FMA What Browser do you use? Firefox	Well when I get offered a recording contract, it won't be so bad xD I know what you're getting at though. Im not a fan of music these days, im just playing a sort of devil's advocate. Edit: Btw, David Bowie is a master of re-inventing his own image. He went from Psychadelic Soft Pop, to a kind of Glam rock, to Soul and all that stuff. He's bound to have influenced nearly every kind of music genre. He was also one of the first white artists to perform early Soul/R&B kinda music on american television's Soul Train. Edited by Viddy Veechi, Sep 17 2009, 02:19 PM.
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Strawberry	Sep 17 2009, 05:54 PM Post #19
Chiaroscuro Posts: 7,816 Group: Rock Princess Member #1,750 Joined: September 24, 2006	Just wanted to add two thoughts to the discussion in response to Mc Esse's post. One of them is, those bands I listed are well known, I'm assuming you're just not very interested in modern rock music if you haven't heard those names before. It's true that some rock music doesn't get the chance to be as big as a lot of pop music but that is because pop music is easier to sell. Pop doesn't always come associated with quality, it has to be catchy and that's about it. Of course not all rock music has quality, but most rock is at least more complex artistically (lyrically and musically), and that makes a big difference when it comes to sell each type of music. Pop is an easier product these days. The second thought I wanted to add is that back in the 60's and the 70's the music scene was completely different. The moment was great for rock music to be made, the market was oriented to have rock music, it had a big impact. However, everything is cyclic. The 80's had good rock music but the market was more oriented towards dance music, for example. Then in the 90's, there was pop music up until a certain moment, and then rock became more popular again, specially with Nirvana's contribution. Not long ago Rap/Hip Hop was huge, now it has settled down a little in my opinion... We have to consider each context to be able to analyze this.
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* .Revolution	Sep 17 2009, 07:38 PM Post #20
.: Changing Everything :. Posts: 4,609 Group: Retired Staff Member #615 Joined: August 15, 2005 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/GT What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox 3 Favourite Manga Dragonball	HOLY COW! How can you possibly imply that ROCK N' ROLL is dead?!!? I mean, at all times, rock music has been watered down by bands tyring to take rock to the mainstream. Just because more and more rather mediocre bands seem to succeed in that matter that doesn't mean Rock N' Roll is dead. A lot of the old rock bands are still touring, making albums. I'd call them 'alive and well'. Just look at the Stones, Black Sabbath (except the 'well' part), Metallica, Iron Maiden... the list just goes on and on and on. Rock N' Roll will always live on, but to a rather big extend, the new rock n' roll bands never become popular enough to get the attention they deserve. I listen to a lot of great rock bands most people don't know and that's just because they are commercionally unsuccessful. To sum it up, I think Rock is as alive as it gets. Sorry if I repeated some of the stuff you guys have already stated, but that's my point of view. I myself am planning an album, which will be as hard as a rock. Erm, yes, just wait and see...
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