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| Topic Started: Sep 15 2009, 04:14 AM (191 Views) | |
| Mc Esse | Sep 15 2009, 04:14 AM Post #1 |
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Well not really.. but really. We had had an era of The Doors and Jimi Hendrix, then came the 70's with talented progressive rockers that you didn't even give a ***** what they sang, you could just listen to the tune of their guitar (Pink Floyd!). Then classic rock took a leap and evolved into what I like to say is anything from ACDC to Metallica, and in that mix you can add Iron Maiden and even Blue Oyster Cult. Alot of these rockstars had attitude, that's what it comes down to. Nowadays rockstars such as Good Charlotte and The Fray don't have it. Is rock dead? Could the radiowaves ever be the same for rock? Most of the best rock songs from this decade are produced by already established artists such as U2 or Metallica! There are some other good rock bands out there such as my opinion, Coldplay or why not say the Killers (despite once being the sissy type, it's almost safe to say they've matured) Although they wont ever be in the same league as U2 or Metallica. I don't know man, rock went from having attitude, to being a depresie. It's crazy how there are music stations that still play rock songs from the 70's, and those rock songs are still very popular, yet most of today's mianstream rock stops being played after about a month. You guys? Agree, disagree, why? Input appreciated. Edited by Mc Esse, Sep 15 2009, 04:16 AM.
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| Temphis | Sep 16 2009, 02:39 AM Post #2 |
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I don't enteirly agree. with new age rock has come new sound, new ways of thinking, and new approach. but in many cases, your right, I don't feel the same amount of talent goes into a lot of todays music, because it's easy to spiff it up with audio editing and stuff, so a lot of bands don't even need to be good to sound good. also, because people purchase crap music, crap bands are popping up to fill up the supply and demand quota. it's like, if a fad sells, other people are gonna milk it for all it's worth till it doesn't sell anymore. only problem here, is that it's society that shifting values of what good rock is, so the standards are changing, and now worse written, crap music, is considered acceptable "because music is up for interpitation, like art." what people are forgetting, is that good art, ya know, the stuff people actually "should" want to buy, takes talent, and the same should go for music. I have heard alot of modern bands though, that can do things that old bands couldn't. I actually enjoy listening to newer rock alot of the time, because it's more entertaining to me. I love all the new sounds they can do with editting and stuff. Progressive Metal is actually my favorite genre, I am a succor for things like Dream Theater and Coheed and Cambria, but I also love some of the newer rock bands like Shinedown, for their awesome lyrics and vocalist, and Disturbed for their unique sound and rythmic intensity, but when it comes down to it, I look at and enjoy songs individually, rather than saying I like an artist, with very few exceptions. |
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| -Zero- | Sep 16 2009, 02:49 AM Post #3 |
 
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Rock is far from dead. The only thing different from years ago is now there are many different kinds of rocks. It's very well still alive let's see 30 Seconds to Mars Nickelback Linkin Park Greenday Three Days Grace Daughtry My Chemical Romance Bullet for my valentine Like those bands or not they are popular, and there are plenty of others, no rock isn't dead there just simply many different versions of rock |
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| Itagaki Manabu | Sep 16 2009, 03:13 AM Post #4 |
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I was thinking about this the other day, but not just rock, I think there are really very little people nowadays who will be superstars in a few decades. Like, for instance, Guns and Roses, they have been going for like 20, 25 years? I dont think there is anyone really atm who will be as famous as Guns n Roses in 20/5 years. Personally I feel that pretty much all the artists in the charts will only get like 2 or 3 albums out and will then fizzle out and be almost forgotten. I think that pretty much every current/modern band/artist gets worse overtime, not bad just worse, like The Killers, They have gone downhill since their first album, I do like their latest album, ive bought it and its quite good, but compared to their first its crap. I also think that part of the reason for this is that music has become much more of a business and I think artists care less about making music and more about making money and becoming famous. One person I can think who will be still be famous in 25 years will be Eminem I think he is definitly a superstar of our generation. I do agree that there are very little people who are comparable to the oldies but I dont think Rock is dead, Rock has expanded so much and there are loads of different types, Like you said Good Charlotte and The Fray, they can both be classified as Rock but yet they are so different. Edited by Itagaki Manabu, Sep 16 2009, 03:23 AM.
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| Viddy Veechi | Sep 16 2009, 06:25 AM Post #5 |
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Most rock artists these days aren't classified in one field, whereas before, the fields only started to grow when Glam Rock and Prog. Rock emerged. More recently there was the birth of Nu Metal, which is the field in which bands like Linkin Park formerly fitted into, though their recent work suggests otherwise. Other bands such as Nirvana and The Offspring were more punk centred to begin with, and would now be reffered to as Alternative Rock, along with Linkin Park, Foo Fighters, Good Charlotte etc. The Beatles, Queen, David Bowie and Elvis were just foundations for many of today's bands. They were the people that took teenagers and young adults out of the generation that listened to Jazz and whatnot when they were younger and also inspired many of today's musicians. It was relatively new, and because of that, everybody loved it, which is why people like Elvis and The Beatles and The Rolling Stones are held in such high regard even now. I wouldn't say it was fair that rock was dying out, but that because of the amount of people now producing rock music and the competition between rock/hiphop/rap etc in the charts, that it is much more difficult to pin-point which artists are the ones to watch over the next 20/25 years. I shall continue later... |
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| Mc Esse | Sep 16 2009, 01:19 PM Post #6 |
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Right on, about Eminem. He's the only artist of the decade who has been consistent throughout all of his releases, and chart performances. He's got talent on the pen, and he has the most charisma any artist, who has broke out in the pastb 15 years to say the very least. It's funny about the Killers, because. Ithought the opposite. Their first album, I didn't really like. Although I did like their follow ups, I find that they greatly matured their sounds. Their good imo, but they're not the best. Coldplay is a good band, they're gotten better and raised their standards as time went by. Surely they love what they do, although they are alot more popular in Europe than in North America. I'm anticipating Viddy's next post. Btw... you're Prince Vegeta right? |
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| Mitas | Sep 16 2009, 01:35 PM Post #7 |
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I totally agree about Eminem, although his new album sucked a little compared to his previous stuff. Although he has already been around for 10-15 years. I think he'll still be releasing albums for the next 5-10 years and mixtapes even longer. BAck on topic, I don't think that rock has died rather than been overshadowed. Rap/Hip-Hop and R & B have taken centre stage in the charts whereas in the decades you mentioned before it was rock bands such as GNR, Rolling Stones, BEatles etc that dominated the charts. However there are still great rock bands out there. Linkin Park, contrary to a lot of people's opinions on this forum, are a good rock band, Sum 41 are awesome, both with albums to come (those are just my two favourite rock bands). Then there's Nickelback, Kings of Leon, Green Day and others mentioned above. Looking at the progression of music through the decades, I think Rap/Hip-Hop and R & B have maybe another decade before another genre moves in, possibly Rock but maybe another. |
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| Viddy Veechi | Sep 16 2009, 01:36 PM Post #8 |
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Yes Indeed. I am he xD This is the identity by which nearly everybody else knows me. Anyways, I shall continue... A lot of bands and artists that I enjoy, have already been going for around 20 years, possibly a lot more. So they are already at the stage Guns N Roses are. However, acts such as Eminem, although he is a highly successful artist, he has already gone through the first 10 years of his career. In the future, it may not be so clear as to weather his style of music will continue to top charts and sell as many as the next big thing, which may be Lady Gaga or somebody else. Somebody who has only just started their professional music career may already be right under our noses, but not create something of Eminem/Guns N Roses/etc standards until maybe their second album, or even the third. David Bowie didn't start off his legacy on the success of "The Laughing Gnome" for example. His career only really kicked off after the release of "Space Oddity". It's the same with the Black Eyed Peas, although they aren't rock musicians, they had been going for a while before they recruited Fergie and released the "Elephunk" album in 2003 (a much larger success than their previous albums) and now they're one of 2009's best selling artists. Although the point im making applies to any and all forms of music in the industry, i'm narrowing it down to rock to simply prove that, rock cannot possibly be dying out as it's one of the most popular music genre's there is and new artists appear with new material everyday/week/month/year, whenever. Which then just adds onto -Zero-'s point about all the bands that are still getting a large fan following, although not the biggest. That'll do for now lol. |
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| Mitas | Sep 16 2009, 01:41 PM Post #9 |
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You make a good point Viddy; the point about a band maybe not having released their 'breakthrough' album yet. However, despite Lady Gaga outselling Eminem at the moment, I can't see her still topping the charts in the next few years yet Eminem will almost certainly still be around. |
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| Viddy Veechi | Sep 16 2009, 01:49 PM Post #10 |
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Just an example. I honestly couldnt think of any new acts that are as popular as her at the moment. Anyway, I was surprised Eminem even released a new album. The same with Robbie Williams, but people that far down their career, that just fade out for a long time, have tougher odds at coming back as strongly as they began with. Take That did it, but can they? |
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| + Byakko | Sep 16 2009, 06:33 PM Post #11 |
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My expression as I read this was "=_=" Either you're trying to sound intelligent, or you're actually TRYING to be wrong. Which wouldn't surprise me. Don't get me wrong, we're all entitled to our own opinion, but ALL (And I mean EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.) of the Floyd fans I've talked to agrees that the lyrics mean just as much as, if not more than, the guitar and effects. Also, they started out in the mid-sixties. Funnily enough, "The Wall" wasn't their first album. In all honesty, your view is exceptionally limited if you think that the 60's were basically just The Doors and Hendrix. There's Eric Clapton, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, THE BEATLES. Of course, it can be argued that the Beatles were Pop, but I'd say they were rock. Soft-rock at least. Rock is FAR from dead. Rock is only dead if people stop believing it lives. Rock is not JUST a genre, it's like a way of life. People today still dream of being a rockstar. Regardless of what anybody says, the only thing that has changed is time. People are angry because the same bands that we know and love aren't performing, or releasing new albums (And while that may be true for some, it's false for a lot of bands). Look at Metallica. In my opinion, their latest stuff isn't as good. But it's new. Do you honestly WANT to hear the same story over and over? Iron Maiden, they've not released anything since AMOLAD, yet they still tour. Music changes with time. What's popular today definately won't be popular tomorrow. I've been asked who the Beatles are before. But they're timeless. Bands like The Jonas Brothers won't live forever, with their lyrics set in stone. Lady GaGa won't live on as an inspiration to young people. McFly won't change the world with their "music". Rock lives, more than any human. Rock will ALWAYS be the last one to fall asleep, the one with the hardest hangover. Rock will be the one who calls up loads of friends. Rock will be the one who is thrown out of the window, who'll spend the night in a cell. Rock will be a gruff, tattoo'd monster, despite being long passed it's glory years. Rock doesn't stop. Ever. Well, that's my unneccessarily long post and my two cents. |
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| Viddy Veechi | Sep 16 2009, 06:36 PM Post #12 |
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Rock lives inside people like me, and mike and DFMike, Rev and Strawberry all of whom love rock artists like The Beatles, or Nirvana or Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica, Linkin Park and others and also play some of the songs that those artists produce on their own guitars/drums/etc. |
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| Mc Esse | Sep 17 2009, 02:22 AM Post #13 |
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To bad, I'm not a Floyd fan. What's you're point?
You're right, why don't I make a page long post limited to only every single rock band that made music in the 60's? What's your point man, *****ing. If I said Clapton, Sabbath, Zepllin, Beatles + The Doors and Hendrix. You'd probably say "There's more bands! What about The Monkeys and Elvis! Are you trying to sound intelligent? Or are you just trying hard to make me look bad? Take your pick, I wasn't trying to insult Pink Floyd, I just said that their music has great melody.
That's what they say about everything.
Who says Metallica's new stuff isn't as good? Just because it's new, doesn't make it worse. We're talking about Metallica here, I thought their new album was great, even for their standards!
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| Strawberry | Sep 17 2009, 09:46 AM Post #14 |
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I'm going to move this topic to the deep discussion section as it seems that the posts here have become serious.  My opinion is that rock music is not dead. If you think about it, the most influential bands of all times in modern music are still the rock bands from the 60's and the 70's. Of course you can say the mainstream music is pop, I'd have to agree with you on that. Pop tends to better fit the commercialism music is saddly serving nowadays. But rock music is far from beind dead. I don't even believe rock music was ever made to be topping every music chart or to make millions with. I find rock music to be more genuine than that, it's more about the content, the messages, the expression and, like you said, the attitude. And as far as I'm concern, there is a countless number of alternative-rock-indie bands out there. They're not as popular as Lady Gaga (had to use her as an example ahah), but they're still getting on stage and performing for their own audience. I know indie music is particularly strong in the UK and other parts of Europe. And you can say that modern bands like Muse, The Killers, The Kaiser Chiefs, The Hives, Franz Ferdinand, Green Day, Red Hot, Arctic Monkeys, Placebo, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Coldplay, The White Stripes, The Libertines, The Strokes, Razorlight, New Found Glory and oh well, even Linkin Park, Fall Out Boy ... they're all doing rock and they're all influential and big in today's music scene (some more than others). Ps: Keep up the debate but try not to be offensive towards other people, guys. 
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| Mc Esse | Sep 17 2009, 12:58 PM Post #15 |
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Why shouldn't they be as popular as Lady Gaga though! I'm sure in my fathers' time Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd were as chart topping as Lady Gaga. Hell, The Beatles sold the most album of anybody, and they were rock! (arguably).
I see what you mean, the rock of the 60's, 70's, even 80's is more popular than most of today's rock. Which is why I started this topic. It's a funny situation when modern rock, which is more consistently being produced than old rock, gets overshadowed. Technically classic rock is dead, and modern rock is alive. Since a lot of bands from the 70's and 60's have disbanded and past away. Although it's the opposite, modern rock takes a back seat to classic rock. And the "rock" they do play on the radio is not even really rock! Come on, The Fray's recent single? Is that really rock! Is indie really rock!? If it is, then I don't know what rock and roll really is. 
I have not heard of a bunch of those bands. Some of them are not even rock. New Found Glory sounds like a bunch of babies whining, Linkin Park is half rap (I'm not hating them btw) and yeah. In the 60's & 70's everybody knew about rock, the rock bands were very popular, and consistent, and the message wasn't always "My girl friend left me I'm so depressed". |
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