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Dabura vs. Freiza
Topic Started: Sep 9 2009, 02:48 PM (6,816 Views)
gohantenku Sep 9 2009, 02:48 PM Post #1
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 I'd have to say Frieza. And Dabura can't spit.
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* Psyam Sep 9 2009, 04:27 PM Post #2
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 I believe that Dabura would win this battle without any effort at all. Here's my reasoning.

First, Frieza was beat by normal SSJ Goku. At the time he had only just unlocked his Super Saiyan powers, and hadn't mastered them.

To calculate the power difference here in full, let's look at the Android saga. When Vegeta fights and defeats Android #19, Piccolo states that he is probably even more powerful then Goku is (even as a Super Saiyan).

If Vegeta is stronger then Goku after Goku trained for 3 years for the Androids, then Vegeta is also stronger then Goku when he was a Super Saiyan on Namek. This makes Vegeta at this point in time far stronger then Frieza.

Later, Vegeta trains in the Time Chamber to become an Ascended Saiyan ("Super Vegeta", Super Saiyan 2nd Grade, whatever you want to call it). When he comes out, Goku says Vegeta would have to be at least three times stronger then he was as a normal Super Saiyan to beat Cell. Vegeta smiles, and of course, beats Cell in his 2nd form.

What we learn from this is that Super Vegeta was at least three times stronger then his normal Super Saiyan form, and his Super Saiyan form was already stronger then Frieza.

When Goku emerges from the Time Chamber later, he is even more powerful then "Super Vegeta". Much more powerful. This is because Goku mastered the Super Saiyan state, making him what fans call a "Full Power Super Saiyan", or FPSSJ for short. Gohan also becomes a FPSSJ.

So to sum up:

Full Power Super Saiyan Goku and Gohan are much stronger then "Super Vegeta", Super Vegeta is over 3x stronger then SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Vegeta is stronger then SSJ Goku on Namek, and SSJ Goku on Namek was stronger then Frieza.

There is a huge difference in power between FPSSJ Goku/Gohan and Frieza. Frieza would be nothing to Goku and Gohan by the time they finished their training in the Time Chamber.

Finally, Dabura is said by Goku to be even stronger then Perfect Cell, who FPSSJ Goku and FPSSJ Gohan couldn't beat. This makes Dabura far and away stronger then Frieza ever was, and easily the winner of this battle.

That's my opinion.
Edited by Psyam, Sep 9 2009, 04:50 PM.
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+ Rebel X Sep 9 2009, 04:44 PM Post #3
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 I think Dabura is a clear winner because he faced Gohan as a SSJ and was putting up a good fight. Frieza against SSJ Trunks lost in a few minutes time. As great as Frieza is, he's not much of a challenge after going beyond that SSJ form.

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Strawberry Sep 9 2009, 05:09 PM Post #4
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 Psyam made all the good points, so I'll keep it short.

Dabura would win hands down, it's stated in the manga that Dabura's powerlevel is nearly the same as Cell's, and Cell was obviously a lot stronger than Frieza.

Frieza would stand no chance against Dabura.

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RyDub Sep 9 2009, 06:42 PM Post #5
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 Psyam made all the points there is to make here. Dabura hands down.
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Sam Sep 9 2009, 10:43 PM Post #6
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Psyam
Sep 9 2009, 04:27 PM
I believe that Dabura would win this battle without any effort at all. Here's my reasoning.

First, Frieza was beat by normal SSJ Goku. At the time he had only just unlocked his Super Saiyan powers, and hadn't mastered them.

To calculate the power difference here in full, let's look at the Android saga. When Vegeta fights and defeats Android #19, Piccolo states that he is probably even more powerful then Goku is (even as a Super Saiyan).

If Vegeta is stronger then Goku after Goku trained for 3 years for the Androids, then Vegeta is also stronger then Goku when he was a Super Saiyan on Namek. This makes Vegeta at this point in time far stronger then Frieza.

Later, Vegeta trains in the Time Chamber to become an Ascended Saiyan ("Super Vegeta", Super Saiyan 2nd Grade, whatever you want to call it). When he comes out, Goku says Vegeta would have to be at least three times stronger then he was as a normal Super Saiyan to beat Cell. Vegeta smiles, and of course, beats Cell in his 2nd form.

What we learn from this is that Super Vegeta was at least three times stronger then his normal Super Saiyan form, and his Super Saiyan form was already stronger then Frieza.

When Goku emerges from the Time Chamber later, he is even more powerful then "Super Vegeta". Much more powerful. This is because Goku mastered the Super Saiyan state, making him what fans call a "Full Power Super Saiyan", or FPSSJ for short. Gohan also becomes a FPSSJ.

So to sum up:

Full Power Super Saiyan Goku and Gohan are much stronger then "Super Vegeta", Super Vegeta is over 3x stronger then SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Vegeta is stronger then SSJ Goku on Namek, and SSJ Goku on Namek was stronger then Frieza.

There is a huge difference in power between FPSSJ Goku/Gohan and Frieza. Frieza would be nothing to Goku and Gohan by the time they finished their training in the Time Chamber.

Finally, Dabura is said by Goku to be even stronger then Perfect Cell, who FPSSJ Goku and FPSSJ Gohan couldn't beat. This makes Dabura far and away stronger then Frieza ever was, and easily the winner of this battle.

That's my opinion.
Did it really need all that? Couldn't you have just posted "wow, this is retarded" then basically said "SSj Goku killed Mecha Freeza in the future, and SSj2 Gohan couldn't beat Dabura" and that would've been enough? xD. No offense mate.

Strawberry's post was the perfect post ;)

But, nice insight, just saying it didn't really need all of that lol.
Edited by Sam, Sep 9 2009, 10:44 PM.
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* Psyam Sep 9 2009, 10:56 PM Post #7
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 I could have just said that, but he wouldn't of learned nearly as much, and I'm not going to call his topic retarded just because he might not be as knowledgeable as some of us who've been discussing who'd beat who in a fight for years.

I just took the time to explain things in full to the OP, that's all. He'll probably benefit from it and will make more balanced versus battles in the future.

I don't just post to settle the topic, I post to share the knowledge I've collected with other people as well.

Saying Dabura = Cell > Frieza is all well and good to end the topic, but he wouldn't understand the reason why if he doesn't know the difference between SSJ and FPSSJ.
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