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| Topic Started: Sep 9 2009, 11:29 AM (133 Views) | |
| Mc Esse | Sep 9 2009, 11:29 AM Post #1 |
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Anything club soccer relating to Europe goes here. Let's keep it related with European clubs, seeing as soccer is a big game with alot of countries, we don't want to get confused now.
Calm down.. they've only produced one champion. Typical English fan over rating his league. Why not? The Spanish League has produced more champions this decade than the EPL. The EPL has only produced 2 championships in the past 10 years. Yet you people act as if they win every year. Although that's to bad that I didn't say the Spanish League is the strongest, clearly I said it's the most competitive. It has much more depth than the EPL. Other than the top 4, it's very rare that the rest of the teams are threats in the EPL, during most season. Although in the Spanish league, although the season will be most probably won by Real or Barcelona, there are many other teams that can go from finishing 8th to 3rd, it's almost unpredicatable which other Spanish Teams we'll see in the Champions League the year after. See what I mean about depth? From me and Light in another topic. |
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| Mitas | Sep 9 2009, 11:58 AM Post #2 |
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I'd have to agree at this point in time the Premiership is strongest. Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea and now Man City. There's also Tottenham, Everton and Villa. Yes the Big 4 don't change, but they it's looking like their monopoly on English football is coming to an end with Everton reaching the FA Cup final and other teams pushing for the top 4 positions. Spain only has two good teams; Barcelona and Real Madrid. They are the big 2. Just look how many points Real were ahead of Sevilla. The Spanish La Liga may yet improve but at this moment in time the Premiership reigns above all other leagues. As for your European Cup points I'd like to argue. Of the last 10 winners, 4 have been Spanish (Real and Barca with 2 apiece) and 2 English (Liverpool and Man U). However an English team has featured in the Final for the past 5 years running (with all 4 of the Big four featuring at some point), with an all-English final in 2008. Spanish teams have featured in the final only twice in the past 5 years, and that is only Barcelona. I'm not even going to bother looking at the Semi Finals, but I'll point out that in one year England had 3 of the 4 semi-finalists. The Spanish dominance in Europe ended in 2002 with Real Madrids victory and has been replaced with an English dominance that started with Liverpools victory in 2005. |
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| Light | Sep 9 2009, 01:42 PM Post #3 |
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I'm not English, i'm Welsh. No offense Mc Esse, but you clearly haven't a clue about the Premiership. Since 05, There has been an English team in the final of the Champions league every year. 06-07 Chelsea, Liverpool and Man U were in the last 4. 07-08 Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U were in the last 4. 08-09 Man u, Arsenal and Chelsea were in the last 4. Mitas made a lot of good points. |
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| Itagaki Manabu | Sep 9 2009, 02:46 PM Post #4 |
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The premiership is a different level than other leagues, im not saying other leauges are easy or anything, but Football is a huge passion in England, it is all taken very seriously, the pace of the game is much faster in English football, in the spanish leagues there arnt many upsets often, Burnley 1 - 0 Manchester United. Its always between Real Madrid and Barcelona for the Title, with teams Like Valencia, Athletico Madrid in 3rd/4th, Where as in the Premier League anyone can win it, there are proberbly about 5 - 7 teams which have a good chance of winning the league. Whenever a foreign player is bought there is always comments saying they need time to settle in playing English football as it is so different and Unique to other leagues. Really, I would say Barcelona and the best team in the world, So Spain has the best team but I think that England has the best and most entertaining League. |
 
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| Mc Esse | Sep 10 2009, 12:33 AM Post #5 |
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English dominance in football? What planet is England dominating football. They missed the Euro Cup and since 2005 the English premiership has lost at the hands of Barcelona (twice!) and AC Milan. People are so stuck up praising the EPL, that the real champions are overlooked!
Really? So tell me the last time a 5th, 6th, or 7th team won that league.
I wouldn't call it English Dominance, I'd call it English consistency. Dominance would mean winning more than 2 Championships in this whole decade. |
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| Kyonko | Sep 10 2009, 01:03 AM Post #6 |
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I can answer that since some of the top teams now wheren't title challengers much when I was intrested in football, with the help of Wikipedia, I can provide references too. Your wording is quite flawed, so I'll assume you mean a team that has finished 5th, 6th and 7th in previous seasons that have won the title. First one that spings to mind is Chelsea, between the 92-93 and 95-96 season, they finished mid table, up to the 03-04 season, they managed to get in the top half, once finished 3rd, then in 04-05, they won the title. I'd say Blackburn Rovers but when they won it in the 3rd season of the foundation of the Premiership, they had finished well withing title range, now they are often at the opposite end. Arsenel, much of the time, they strugled to get into the top 6 until 97-98 when they won their first title. The only consistant team from the foundation of the Premiership is Manchester United who's lowest position is 3rd. There are many teams that have the potential to win the league, Liverpool almost managed to last season, they haven't won a Premiership title yet. It often comes down to the last few games. |
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| Mc Esse | Sep 10 2009, 01:28 AM Post #7 |
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My wording was flawed, I was refering to this decade. Not what happened in the early-mid 90's basically. Blackburn is the only other team as you saw, to win the EPL. Other than Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal. Ironically Liverpool has the most succesful Champions League trophy record of any English team, yet they never won the EPL. Edited by Mc Esse, Sep 10 2009, 01:30 AM.
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| Light | Sep 10 2009, 09:59 AM Post #8 |
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You have selective reading Mc Esse. I love the La Liga, and watch games weekly along with Premiership games and I have no problem with you saying that the stronger league is the La Liga but then you utter complete rubbish about the Premiership only having 4 teams and the rest being 'douche' teams. All that proves is you haven't watched much of the Premiership. Stop calling others stuck up for not agreeing with you and perhaps instead of picking one and defending it blindly, try watching both. |
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| Mc Esse | Sep 10 2009, 11:13 AM Post #9 |
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It bothers me when people say English clubs are dominating football, when they've only won 2 champions league this decade. One which they won by sheer luck, I mean come on.. Milan was winning 3-0!.. Three - Zero! Anyways, they EPL is good, that's for sure. But there is a difference between domination and consistency. Who has won more champions league trophies since in recent years, England or Spain? I've been hearing nothing but praise for the english league. In recent years it's Barcelona (twice) Man U and Milan. So I guess Milan must have fell off the face of the earth, because nobody ever speaks widley about them. Even though they defeated the great Liverpool, but since liverpool is English they get more praise for making it to the final, let alone wining it. |
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| Light | Sep 10 2009, 12:45 PM Post #10 |
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Liverpool got praise because they came back from 3-0 down in the Champions league final, making it one of the greatest football comebacks of all time and even though i'm a neutral, it was definitely one of the greatest football games i've ever seen. The last 3 semi final spots have been filled with England taking 9 spots, Italy took 1 and Spain took 2. That's not consistency, that's domination. Yes, they've been unable to win a lot but it's fairly accepted that Barcelona are the strongest team at the world at the moment but there's no denying these facts that England have dominated the champion leage these past few years. if you look at the UEFA coefficient the Premiership is top. The Spanish league is constantly being praised, the international team won global acclaim for their performance at Euro 08. Football pundits that although La Liga can't match the premiership for pace or power, I wholeheartedly agree that for beautiful football La Liga excels. The reason no one cared for Milan was because they were guitly of cheating in a terrible manner and made a mockery of Serie A football. On top of that Italian football is steadily declining, the last time an Italian team made the quarter finals (Roma) they were beaten fairly comfortably. Edit: To be honest, I agree that the Premiership does sometimes get overblown and people denounce La Liga but not only does this happen vice versa, there's plenty of other leagues which are constantly improving and are hidden because of the Premiership, La Liga and Serie A. The Bundesliga The Russian premier league Ligue 1 and the American and Japanese soccer leagues are improving. oh and the WPL is fantastic as well (not really, but that's what i'm aiming for ;)) out of interest, do you support a team? Edited by Light, Sep 10 2009, 01:13 PM.
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| Mc Esse | Sep 10 2009, 10:18 PM Post #11 |
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I could be wrong but, Milan deserved that championship in '07. They cheated in their respective domestic league. Although I myself, hate Milan, and never heard them cheating in the European circuit. (in 2007) That victory was just as deserved as Man U's victory a year later. Italian football has been in decline as of late, but they're still up there with English and Spanish clubs, there's no doubt about it. Personally I blame the serie A scandals of 2006, but that's just me.
Speaking of Italy, I'll give you a great example. In 1992 Sampdoria FC, of Seria A made it to the champions league finals, loosing to Barcelona. This began an EIGHT year trend of Italian teams reaching the finals. Although of those 8 finals appearences only twice did the Italian clubs come out victorious. Sure they were very consistent, they made it to the finals year in and year out. Although they did not dominate the charts as they only came out on top 2/8. Which is very similiar to the English Situation. of the past 5 years, they did not win that cup for 5 straight years. Other nation's clubs have shared the glory. You want domination? between 1977 and 1985 the English teams reached a finals 9 times, although won it 7 times. Including for 6 consecutive years which saw Liverpool win 3 , Nottigham Forrest win 2 straight, and Aston Villa ending the 6 year run. Now THATS domination. My favorite team is Fiorentina. I like rooting for the underdog. Although I don't follow them much, When it comes to following a team I'll either follow Liverpool FC or Juventus FC, since the television stations which I get only air the high profile teams lol.. What do you want? It may take away the point or pride in following a team but that's life. Edited by Mc Esse, Sep 10 2009, 10:21 PM.
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| Mitas | Oct 2 2009, 09:50 PM Post #12 |
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Moving on, how do people here see the Europa League? How do you rate it's strength team-wise and it's competitiveness? It seems as if a lot of the top teams in it are playing reserve sides and resting key pleyers. But the reason they're resting these players is to save them for the league where they're competing to qualify for the Europa League next season....where they will again rest players so they can qualify for the Europa League. What is the point? Why don't teams go all out in both, rotating one or two players, but keeping as close to their best XI as possible? |
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| Mc Esse | Oct 2 2009, 10:47 PM Post #13 |
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It has to many teams.. and that does not include the Champions League dropouts! I mean the competetivness speaks for itself. Lazio defeated Levski (of Bulgaria) 4-0, and they're not even a good team! There's so many ''little'' teams in this torunament that is the chances of seeing a dark horse compete goes way higher lmao. Check Salzburg's record. |
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| Mitas | Oct 3 2009, 08:51 AM Post #14 |
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An impressive record but they have a massive backing financial-wise. There are a lot of "little" teams in the cup and some of them are terrible, but you can't just omit a whole country from the competition because their standard of football is poor. How is it going to get better if they aren't allowed to compete in European competitions? I think that every country should have a representative, some more than others, but the competition doesn't really start until after these groups stages where it enters the knockout rounds. I think a geat set-up would be for the whole league to be a knockout competition but that won't happen because UEFA have it set out so that they can get the most money from the competition. |
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| Mc Esse | Oct 3 2009, 01:33 PM Post #15 |
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that's a bad idea because it wouldn't even give the teams a chance to organize their chemistry together. What happens if they have one bad game? The whole tournament is over. I think the group stage is the best idea, surely the better teams will advance to the 2nd round, and we'll see an entertaining tournament.
It could cause embarassment.. and another reason why "better" teams don't play their best roster against little teams. haha *btw check what I found Wembley Stadium 1992: Wembley 1992 Edited by Mc Esse, Oct 3 2009, 01:37 PM.
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