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RIP Super Mario
Topic Started: Sep 4 2009, 03:26 AM (585 Views)
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1996, that's when Mario 64 was released. that was 13 years ago, going onto 14. We never ever got a fair sequal. By fair I don't mean a game about playing Tennis, or a game where you have to pursue the career of a fireman. Even when GC was released, I thought Luigi would carry the torch for his brother, but that game was not the platforming type where anything goes, that we all fell in love with in '96. It was a rip off of ghost busters, and very blunt. (for a mario bros. game)

Whatever Happened Too... don't we all want another platform game, why doesn't Nintendo make another few (regarding Mario) Then they wonder why the GC lost. :lol:

14 years, it's safe to say we're now in a drought of good ol fashioned Mario. The more time passes, the more I feel we'll never get another good Mario platformer.
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Apparently you haven't played paper mario.
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If you're reffering to the Paper Mario(s) I know, then they're RPGs.
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I thought Sunshine was the best Mario game ever myself. 64 was good, but overall I preferred Sunshine by a landslide. I didn't like Galaxy at all, though. My faith in Nintendo has been dropping of late. All they seem to do now is churn out these family fun games that I'd get bored of in about 5 minutes.
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Rampaging Explosion of Euphoric Glory!

like disney, Nintendo needs to barrow writters from a more teen/mature background, not to necesarily make mario and other franchises more dark and edgy, but more intense and appealing for older ages. I've been waiting to see a steampunk link zelda game with awesome devil may cry type weapon combos for over 6 years, but as long as they keep using the same resources, nothing is gonna change. even Okami is a "link zelda done right" yet it's still kid safe.

hopefully however, Team Ninja working with Nintendo to make the new, Metroid other M, will break the mold and open new doors for nintendo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxeCHpp08E

this is the first time we will really get to hear Samus Aran's voice, and have a plethra of main characters. not to mention transitions in gameplay, moving back and forth between old school platform, third person tomb raider style, and first person, all in one.
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Sep 4 2009, 06:25 PM
like disney, Nintendo needs to barrow writters from a more teen/mature background, not to necesarily make mario and other franchises more dark and edgy, but more intense and appealing for older ages. I've been waiting to see a steampunk link zelda game with awesome devil may cry type weapon combos for over 6 years, but as long as they keep using the same resources, nothing is gonna change. even Okami is a "link zelda done right" yet it's still kid safe.

hopefully however, Team Ninja working with Nintendo to make the new, Metroid other M, will break the mold and open new doors for nintendo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxeCHpp08E

this is the first time we will really get to hear Samus Aran's voice, and have a plethra of main characters. not to mention transitions in gameplay, moving back and forth between old school platform, third person tomb raider style, and first person, all in one.
... Mario games are intended for a younger age group. I don't believe for one second that Ninendo intend for Mario to appeal to a 25 year old exactly. The reason why people slightly older than ourselves like Mario games, is because they grew up with Mario games. Mario games are intended to be family friendly, so If you want a goddamn Dark/Edgy, intense and more mature game, you don't buy a Mario game. Simple as that.

Mario might be Nintendo's poster boy, but he's not the only game they produce, despite the large amount of Mario oriented games. It's true that Nintendo can lack that want to play more vibe you can get from games more suited to other consoles such as Assassins Creed, Halo 3, Call of Duty and the like, but what you don't seem to understand is that Nintendo have also been opening up doors into the new way of gaming, hence the Nintendo Wii and newly released DS consoles. They'll get around to focusing on games, once they have slowed down the production of new material. They have released items such as Wii Motion Plus, Wii Balance Boards and all kinds of accessories as of late, which gives game developers more to work with, but can also halt the production of games that would like to incorporate those items into the gameplay.

There have been plenty of sequels to games like MarioKart and the Mario 64 platformer along with plenty of the other Mario games, so what makes you think they're going to stop attempting to make good sequels? I personally enjoy MarioKart Wii and I have heard that they are currently releasing a Super Mario Bros Wii, in the style of one of the Original Gameboy games, and they might move on from there, and who knows what that'll turn out like? You can't knock it til you've tried it, and it's not like Nintendo are trying to sabotage their own franchise.

P.s. - I thought I should also mention, the vast majority of the most successful Nintendo brands, i.e. Mario and Pokemon are very centred around kids. As I said, we still play those because we grew up with it and it's nostalgic for us, but I hardly doubt anybody that was just too old for Pokemon when it first came out, isn't likely to purchase a new version. If they want something new and edgy then they dont opt for Pokemon or Mario. They go and buy Batman or something better suited. Batman is nostalgic and has darker, edgier potential. Pokemon and Mario, doesn't exactly, as it would "ruin" the brand. You can't just slag them off for not making a sequel to your personal standards, so you have to wait and see what they do.

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I agree with you about Mario. the mario franchise would be, well it just wouldn't be mario if they tried to do something too different at this stage. Pokemon however, I mean, seriously, all they need to do is change the combat system to real time, let you control your pokemon in a third person, maybe Kingdom Hearts type engine, and utilize the consol's potential, and you'd have a game that actually fits into todays standards. the problem with the turn based system they currently use, is that if feels archaic. sure theres a "level" of stradegy, but mostly it's with picking your "4" moves, and hoping that your oppenent switches to something that your next attack will be "super effective" against. there really isn't anything there a 5 year old couldn't do, so long as they didn't know how. I think they should add in more to create a bigger gap in skill level in that game. at least do something different than add 100 new freaks, half of which are evolutions to themselves, and maybe 50 new moves, and call it a sequel. they don't need to be edgy or mature, to invite older people to play it. Kingdom hearts is actually a perfect example of this. they just need to have more contrast in character depth and story and have more awesome gameplay. thats really all it is, both of which nintendo has always avoided doing because kids can't understand or appreciate it as much, so it wasn't as marketable to their market, just like Invader Zim wasn't marketable to Nickoleon's market. so despite the fact that nickolodeon's viewing audience increased by over 10% because of "Invader Zim" they canceled it because there was too much money involved in making it since it wasn't drawing in more of their "targeted viewing audience" and they don't give a crap about any one else. Nintendo likewise doesn't give a crap about anyone other than little kids, since if they get them as kids they turn into a nintendo freak when their older, and now their new market, old people and non gamers, though I don't fully understand why except from a money making perspective that at all makes sense. essentially, all they have managed to do, is sell a bunch of 2nd gen. consols in desquise and push hard core gamers away (non nintendo freaks I should add, cause nintendo freaks are biased when it comes to nintendo). I actually am excited for Metroid other M, and I don't even own a Wii, cause it "looks" awesome. if it's at all like the trailers suggest, than it will be the best metroid game, and will create a new standard within Nintendo, which may cause gamers to pick up a wii, but until then, I'm gonna stick with my gut feeling and steer away from stale titles like pokemon.
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New Super Mario Brothers Wii.
Super Mario Galaxy 2.

Dude! Get your head out from under that rock!
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um, yeah, I said I agreed about Mario, it's fine the way it is. changing mario would be like changing the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, it just works the way it is. that aside, I still stand firm on how Nintendo needs to add some more story and character depth, as well as new superior gameplay engines that allow you to do more in franchises that have grown stale. Link for example, as well as pokemon, and any franchise that has been around since gameboy, that has not changed, needs a new release. especially Star Fox.
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Sep 5 2009, 01:43 PM
um, yeah, I said I agreed about Mario, it's fine the way it is. changing mario would be like changing the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, it just works the way it is. that aside, I still stand firm on how Nintendo needs to add some more story and character depth, as well as new superior gameplay engines that allow you to do more in franchises that have grown stale. Link for example, as well as pokemon, and any franchise that has been around since gameboy, that has not changed, needs a new release. especially Star Fox.
A new starfox would be amazzzinnggg.
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Nobody really discussed the point though. They have already changed Mario many times.
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changing mario would be like changing the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,

Mario in my opinion was supposed to spawn many sequals a la Mario 64! Mario is a platformer game, or at least was a platformer game. Throughout the NES and SNES days, then for 1 game during the 64 era. I guess you could add sunshine in the mix, but they destroyed the traditional Mario element by adding a dumb hose on his back. Why don't they make more games about him like that? Sureley that's what the fans want. both 3 year olds and 40 year old nintendo junkies alike. a 360 degree, 256 bit, Mario game where you punch, kick, jump, swim and fly!... Not Paper Mario. Aside from degrading Mario to the bottom of the floor, you can't even jump high! And you have to take turns fighting! That works well with Final Fantasy.. but not Super Mario. When it's Super Mario I just want to run through the levels without thinking.

*btw Prince V... who said anything about a dark theme mature Mario game :o_O:
Edited by Mc Esse, Sep 5 2009, 02:18 PM.
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Sep 5 2009, 02:17 PM
Nobody really discussed the point though. They have already changed Mario many times.
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changing mario would be like changing the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,

Mario in my opinion was supposed to spawn many sequals a la Mario 64! Mario is a platformer game, or at least was a platformer game. Throughout the NES and SNES days, then for 1 game during the 64 era. I guess you could add sunshine in the mix, but they destroyed the traditional Mario element by adding a dumb hose on his back. Why don't they make more games about him like that? Sureley that's what the fans want. both 3 year olds and 40 year old nintendo junkies alike. a 360 degree, 256 bit, Mario game where you punch, kick, jump, swim and fly!... Not Paper Mario. Aside from degrading Mario to the bottom of the floor, you can't even jump high! And you have to take turns fighting! That works well with Final Fantasy.. but not Super Mario. When it's Super Mario I just want to run through the levels without thinking.

*btw Prince V... who said anything about a dark theme mature Mario game :o_O:
DUDE!

Sequels to 64 where Sunshine, Galaxy, and Galaxy 2! They are all a ton like it! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE I HIT YOU ON THE HEAD WITH MY CANE.
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Galaxy, and Galaxy 2

Those games SUCKED. They weren't even platformers. Read the original post. I said FAIR sequels. Not a game where you walk around a rock in space and can't even jump. A platformer.

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GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE I HIT YOU ON THE HEAD WITH MY CANE.

Why do I have to deal with all the psychos on this forum?
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I agree about most of this. Then you think about it, though. What honestly HAS been consistently appreciated over the years? Nothing, really, right? Everything is going downhill it seems like these days. Music, video games, movies. Mario's just one great thing out of many others that had its time.

I think they should have made a Mario game using the Super Smash Bros. engine.
Edited by Dark, Sep 5 2009, 03:02 PM.
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Sep 5 2009, 02:36 PM
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Galaxy, and Galaxy 2

Those games SUCKED. They weren't even platformers. Read the original post. I said FAIR sequels. Not a game where you walk around a rock in space and can't even jump. A platformer.

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GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE I HIT YOU ON THE HEAD WITH MY CANE.

Why do I have to deal with all the psychos on this forum?
I am most certainly not a psycho.
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