Bardock Vs. Goku (Saiyan Saga)

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Bardock Vs. Goku (Saiyan Saga); Father against Son
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* Psyam	Sep 1 2009, 04:54 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	Bardock as he is just before he dies at the end of the movie, against Goku just before he battles Vegeta. To make this fair, Goku isn't allowed to use the Kaioken or Spirit Bomb, and Bardock can't turn into a Oozaru. Anything else goes. I've seen a lot of people put Bardock's power level at a maximum of 10,000 , but he could be weaker. Goku was just over 8000 when powering up against Nappa and Vegeta (in the manga, the infamous over 9000 was a mistake), but he's pulled through when the odds were stacked against him before. So who takes this one?



Super Goku	Sep 1 2009, 08:34 PM Post #2
Vizard Jinchurikii Posts: 966 Group: Member Member #4,266 Joined: June 26, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Naruto	thought he cant control it, Goku COULD turn into a great ape, and have a PL of like 90,000. im sure bardock knows that if you cut off the tail goku will revert though I think Goku would win, he knows a lot of very unique martial arts techniques picked up from master roshi. His kamehameha would probably do the trick if he landed it on bardock, similar to how he controlled it through the air and hit raditz. Goku is extremely fast too. remember when nappa was about to crush him, and all of the sudden he was behind him, walking gohan to the kinto'un? That may have been kaio-ken, but i think it was more of a normal burst in speed. they both trained under 10x gravity, so that wouldnt come into play. Bardock relies on his scouter to detect power levels as well, so if goku could get that out of the way, he could probably bluff his way into blowing bardock to pieces with a kamehameha. well, not to pieces. As far as i know, bardock cant control his PL as easily as goku can. Even with a scouter, goku could decrease his PL and hide, then spring out and, either kamehameha, or raise his power in a burst. not a kaio-ken, more of a burst like how piccolo explained it when he was fighting Android 20. so ill hand it to Goku can he use his Nyoibo? that would give him a pretty big advantage, since he really knows how to fight with that thing.
	BURNING HELL FTW


BUU	Sep 6 2009, 06:43 PM Post #3
Posts: 148 Group: Member Member #4,313 Joined: July 15, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? internet explorer Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	So, Bardock can't turn into a great ape and Goku can't use kaioken or genki dama. Interesting. So the power levels are 8,000 for Goku and around 10,000 for Bardock. That's a 2,000 power difference. I've seen people dominate when their oponent was only a few hundreds ahead in power.9such as the raditz fight or the Zarbon fight). But then again, Frieza lasted against Goku wehn he had a 30% disadantage (according to the daizenshuu, Frieza at 100% full power had 120,000,000 and SS Goku had 150,000,000.) I think that Goku would struggle a lot if it's a 2,000 power difference. I have a feeling that Bardock would win. And Super goku, Goku can't transform into a great ape either; his tail is cut off.



BattleMetal	Sep 6 2009, 09:22 PM Post #4
Posts: 596 Group: Member Member #3,821 Joined: November 24, 2008	Goku for me laddies and lassies. Technically he is a much better fighter and lots of basic but effective techniques that could beat his old man. Tricks that his old man would struggle with cause he has never dealt with anything like it. Goku will be used to fighting a warrior who uses his fists and feet to fight, can fly and uses chi attacks. It would be nothing new to him, aye his opponent is dangerous because he is strong but Gokus techniques would bamboozle the geezer. ive seen this happen in real life where a fighter has brought something new and random to the fight and because its his opponent is not used to, it unsettles them, taking them out of their game. Removing them from their comfort zone. Also Goku can rev up his power to extreme amounts when he does certain high power, last resort attacks (Kame-Hame-Ha). Bardock would fight at one level all the the way. he cant massively increase his power when he fights as he doesnt have the same mastery and ability of his chi as Goku. If he feels like all of his opponents attacks are weak he wouldnt be bothered by a KameHameHa which could take his head off. With his ability to sense chi as well this could make Goku a more versatile fighter as he can avoid most of Bardocks attacks and land his own. Feeling the motion in the air and react even if he isnt fast enough to follow his movement. Bardock would be a fierce opponent for Goku but he loves a challenge so would step up his game even more. This sort of fight would bring out the best in Goku.
	http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8040430/1/ Link to my DBZ fan-fic tale: Saiyans, Frieza, the Ginyu Force and other alien races and beings all chucked into the soup-pot for all out action and glory! http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8129945/1/#new Link to a DBZ inspired story/ battle scenario that i did when i was 16 http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8071554/1/#new Link to the Marvel/DC tale of the super-powered hereos and villians of both verses. Biggest heavy-hitters square off in an almight-free-for-all brawl!


BUU	Sep 6 2009, 09:25 PM Post #5
Posts: 148 Group: Member Member #4,313 Joined: July 15, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? internet explorer Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	BattleMetal makes a good point. Goku's ability to master his chi and rev his power up would give him a huge advantage. And since bardock would've never fought anyone like Goku, he would struggle to detect Goku's movements.



* Psyam	Sep 7 2009, 06:21 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	Bardock is hardly a bad fighter, Goku wouldn't have that much of an advantage skill wise. Goku can rev up his power, but there's nothing to say Bardock can't. The Kamehameha isn't some magic ability, any fighter can raise his power by focusing it all into one attack (like Bardock's final attack against Frieza). Still, Bardock's inability to read Ki could be a problem if he lost his scouter. Remember when Goku used that weakness against Frieza? I'm undecided at the moment, but I prefer to stay out of topics I make and see what other people say.



BattleMetal	Sep 7 2009, 07:28 PM Post #7
Posts: 596 Group: Member Member #3,821 Joined: November 24, 2008	Never said Bardock was a bad fighter matey. Aye, im sure Bardock can rev up but not to the extremes Goku can. When Raditz was fighting Goku and he launched a KameHamHa he was amazed at how much Gokus power could increase (more than doubling in power). I believe that Vegetas Gallick Gun is a royal move and is one of the few attacks that can massively rev up a fighters power beyond his natural limits. Bardocks has no moves like this in his arsenal. Just basic Saiyan attacks. This is just an idea so is in no way official. Im only using this to give a scale of things. I think Bardock can do an big chi attack equal to his power level. ie Bardocks power level as a whole is 10,000 (or close to it), so his punches and kicks will be like a damage equivalant of say 1000. Basic ki blasts like 1000 to 5000. Then he does his big attack which is at 10,000. Goku is at 9000 (or so). His punch and kicks are between 800/ 900. Basic ki blasts 900 to 3500. Then he does a KameHameHa, revs it right up and can scale well over 16,000. Much higher than Bardocks power level (even if Bardocks focues all of his power into his defense the attack will crush him). Remember this is not official, just something i came up with. Just a basic idea. I think Bardock would give Goku a hard fight as he is stronger and like Goku has fought from a weak level so obviously has heart and can give hard fight, pushing past endurance and injury. He wll be used to facing stronger opponents just not one as tricky as Goku who has the same spirit as his old man. Solar flare, After-Image, ability to sense chi, natural Saiyan ability to fight harder the stronger his opponent and an ability to sense how strong his chi is, KameHameHa (i think he can do others things but they are the main ones). Goku will know not to take it lightly on his old man once he sense his strength. Bardock will either underestimate Goku or go in for the kill (if he can). Does Bardock have the stamina to fight for lengths of time like Goku (by the movie he kinda does)? Or is he one of those fighters who goes in 100% from the start for a quick finish, overwhelming his opponent with sheer aggression and brute power. Doing this he will burn out much quicker and find it harder to recover if Goku is still standing? Edited by BattleMetal, Sep 7 2009, 08:15 PM.
	http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8040430/1/ Link to my DBZ fan-fic tale: Saiyans, Frieza, the Ginyu Force and other alien races and beings all chucked into the soup-pot for all out action and glory! http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8129945/1/#new Link to a DBZ inspired story/ battle scenario that i did when i was 16 http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8071554/1/#new Link to the Marvel/DC tale of the super-powered hereos and villians of both verses. Biggest heavy-hitters square off in an almight-free-for-all brawl!


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