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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 21 2009, 08:25 AM (3,979 Views) | |
| * Psyam | Aug 21 2009, 08:25 AM Post #1 |
 
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That LSSJ3 (that's a new one, heh) Broly could take? If you've seen the Raging Blast thread recently then you'll know he's going to be in the game as a what-if character.  Discussing made up characters isn't normally interesting, but as he's actually in a game, and that makes it one step closer to being real, who do you think is the strongest person he could take in that form? Where about would you put his power? I thought it'd be interesting to hear people's opinions on this. It's something new. |
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| Super Goku | Aug 21 2009, 03:08 PM Post #2 |
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wow...geez i have no idea... his LSSJ is like around SSJ2.25 IMO...so thats like +1.25 so...LSSJ2 would be like SSJ3.25 and LSSJ3 would be like SSJ4.25? that might be really inaccurate... But i think in GT, ssj4 goku was weaker when he fought baby, and then he got a boost from like gohan and goten and trunks or something, like they have him their energy to keep fighting while he was battlling the shenrons, and maybe that would be SSJ4.25... for some reason i think he would be stronger than that though, like a SSJ4.5? (these decimals barely make sense) i think he could definitely destroy SPC, fat boo, general rilldo, SSJ4 goku, ultimate gohan, maybe SSJ Gotenks... He could probably defeat super buu and kid buu too..maybe buuhan.... He could defeat Super 17 and golden oozaru baby vegeta i bet. idk bout omega shenron though.. this is a tough one. can anyone else try to figure out what super saiyan level or how strong he REALLY is??? |
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| * Psyam | Aug 21 2009, 05:21 PM Post #3 |
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Well, don't forget that Kid Goku in GT was as strong as General Rildo without even using Super Saiyan, and General Rildo was stated by Goku to be at least as strong as "Majin Buu", probably Kid Buu if I had to guess. So even in his base form in GT, Goku is as strong as Kid Buu. Stronger, actually, because he was actually beating Rildo in his base form. That means GT Goku's SSJ form must of been crazy strong (50x Kid Buu if you use that multplication!), so imagine SSJ3. He'd be way way way above Buuhan in that form. Yet Baby Vegeta owned SSJ3 Goku. Then Baby transformed twice to even greater levels of power, but was unable to fight against SSJ4 Goku at all. Obviously, the gap between SSJ3 and SSJ4 is huge. SSJ4 Goku's power would be... unbelievably high. Broly isn't going to measure up to Goku's GT power, even as a SSJ3. If you went to the end of Dragonball Z right after the Kid Buu fight and gave Goku SSJ4 then, then yes, Broly would probably be even stronger then SSJ4 Goku. But in GT, Goku's base power is so immense, all of his transformed states are off the scale, Broly couldn't compete with GT Goku for that reason. But still, LSSJ3 (It seems to be a mix of Legendary and SSJ3) would be pretty damn strong. I'd go as far as to put him near or even above Buuhan's level. |
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| Temphis | Aug 21 2009, 05:31 PM Post #4 |
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thats cool their doing what if characters again. I think he could take Baby Super Android 17, but probably not Omega Shenron. |
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| BattleMetal | Aug 21 2009, 11:55 PM Post #5 |
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This would be incredibly dangerous. Broly LSS3 probably would not have the same weakness as Goku or Gotenks exhibited while fighting Buu. So Broly could happily contend with the form, cause his chi regnerates and increases (maybe not grow since he is in the strongest SS form barring the SS4 state in GT) his power would be immense. Fighting ability would be the same so that could be an advantage to the Z warriors when facing him, meaning he is basic and often leaves himself wide open. Heck Broly LSS3 could be a solid match for BuuHan, maybe even Vegito. Broly power could be so great that he forces Vegito to ascend into his SS3 form to give him a chance at beating the insane Saiyan. Potentially I believed that Vegito might have been able to go SS3 but didnt need to simply because his power as an SS2 was more than enough to overwhelm BuuHan, going by the manga version (in manga Vegito automatically fights BuuHan in his SS2 state, unlike anime where he easily is beating Buuhan in just his base form). Game terms maybe Broly would be able to create super powerful attacks faster than normal characters but still have his 'big man' ability. Would be a real pain to fight cause he is fast, destructive and wields hard to dodge attacks with high power damage. |
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| RyDub | Aug 23 2009, 03:25 PM Post #6 |
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For the strongest opponent I'd probably say Baby. Not that Baby would be able to defeat him easily but I think Baby would be able to take over Brolly's mind easily since he was mentally unstable. With the games doing these what if scenarios I wouldn't mind seeing a Baby/Cell combination. Both were similar in design to wipe out Sayians. |
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Aug 23 2009, 07:23 PM Post #7 |
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Just how strong this form is can be ridiculously hard to imagine or determine. I see the little 1.25 ratio given up there, but that's just a random guess. if he's LSSJ1, and that alone, is stronger than SSJ2 (or equal to), then what does that math say? It means that LSSJ may be twice as strong as regular SSJ. This could put him anywhere between SSJ4 (since he is clearly, CLEARLY stronger than a regular SSJ3), and SSJ"5" or so, if I can predict that. That form is crazy to imagine. I hear Psyam trying to tone it down, but no, you can't. You simply can't tone this down. -Legendary- Super Saiyan 3? My god, that is sick. Impossible to determine, but frigging unbelievably powerful no doubt. I would honestly rank him above, or at Vegito's power, in any way. I honestly think the only fighter stronger than him would be SSJ4 Gogeta. |
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| * Psyam | Aug 23 2009, 08:37 PM Post #8 |
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I'm not trying to tone it down, but when you use the "LSSJ is equal to SSJ2 so LSSJ3 would be SSJ4" theory, your completly ignoring the fact that Goku's base power in GT is retardedly high. There is no set power level for any SSJ state, they just multiply the Saiyans original power. GT Goku's base is AT LEAST equal to Kid Buu, proven by his fight with General Rildo who was stated to be at least as strong as Buu. Base Goku in GT would likely beat SSJ3 Goku during the Kid Buu fight. See the power difference here? LSSJ3 Broly would probably be able to beat a SSJ4 Goku if Goku had the same base power he did when fighting Kid Buu, but LSSJ3 Broly wouldn't stand a chance against even SSJ3 Goku in GT, let alone SSJ4. I'd say LSSJ Broly is still weaker then SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta, as well. Stronger then SSJ2 Adult Gohan but not at Goku and Vegeta's level. They were much stronger at SSJ2 then Gohan ever was at the same level. Going on that, LSSJ2 Broly would probably be a little weaker then SSJ3 Goku. I'm certain LSSJ3 Broly could take Ultimate Gohan and Super Buu, Gotenks Buu as well probably. Beyond that though, I'm not certain. He could possibly take Gohan Buu, but I doubt he'd be any match at all for Super Vegito. Vegito made Buuhan look like nothing. Who knows how strong he was? Plus Vegito could probably turn SSJ3 himself... LSSJ3 Broly is bound to be incredibly strong by Z terms, possibly the strongest behind only Vegito, but comparing him to GT Goku he's nothing. Yes, "It's LEGENDARY Super Saiyan 3", big deal. It means nothing if his base power is insignificant compared to Goku's. And of course, the GT villains were a challenge for even GT Goku's incredible power. For that reason, GT Goku, Baby Vegeta, Super Android #17, Omega Shenron (or even just Syn Shenron) would all be stronger then SSJ3 Broly. |
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| vegeta_theprince11 | Aug 23 2009, 09:31 PM Post #9 |
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LSSJ3 Broly looks very powerfull, but that would be considered a downgrade wouldn't it have been. Because, broly's LSSJ is equivalent to an SSJ4, as shown in the movie, when it took 3 super sayins at full power to "push him into the sun". Goten is SSJ, gohan was SSJ2 and so was goku. So, if u sum that up, that really makes it SSJ4. It is however controversal that they did use "KAMEHAMEHA" to push him. So really, it would be that of a kamehameha X 10. (that's SSJ4 goku's signature). that is really the logic behind that. |
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| Super Goku | Aug 23 2009, 11:23 PM Post #10 |
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Broly's LSSJ is NOT near SSJ4. Did you NOT just read what Psyam wrote? And Gohan was not SSJ2(even if he was its still a weak one) and im not sure what goku was. probably SSJ1. i dont see how you get the Kamehameha x10 out of 3 super saiyans working together in a kamehameha either...maybe it was just SSJ kamehameha + SSJ kamehameha + SSJ kamehameha. Nothing points towards the fact that its at SSJ4 level or a kamehameha x 10.. And what did you say about a LSSJ3 being a DOWNGRADE from a LSSJ? That makes no sense. at all. just - how? .. ontopic... LSSJ3 may not stand a chance against many GT villains. So if base goku was at (z)SSJ3 level, we know for a fact that a legendary SSJ3 is stronger than normal SSJ3. so we can probably put LSSJ3 Broly at MAYBE base Goku's (gt) level, seeing as gt goku was beating rildo who is = to kid buu who is stronger than SSJ3, so base goku is stronger than (z)SSJ3.. so maybe LSSJ3 is = to base goku (gt)? |
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| The-Marksman | Aug 24 2009, 04:20 PM Post #11 |
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Broly is by and far my absolute favorite character in the entire series, and seeing very well done images in the OP of him as a LSSJ3 is AWESOME  I was grinning and smiling SO much when I saw those, its awesome!!Also, I'd be the LAST one to say anything to make Broly sound weaker, since I always think people under estimate the "Legendary" transformation as it is, but in this case, I cant revoke Psyam's logic, its nearly irrefuitable. While LSSJ3 Broly would BADLY CRUSH SSJ4 Goku IF IT WAS RIGHT AFTER BUU, he wouldnt touch SSJ3 / SSJ4 Goku in GT because of Goku's base power before transforming. But Psyam is absolutely right, if BASE Goku is stronger than Majin Buu (fat/evil/kid forms), than his Super Sayian forms are easily incalculable, and LSSJ3 Broly wouldnt beat SSJ3 GT Goku, and ALL OF THE GT VILLIANS are equal to/close to/stronger than SSJ3 GT Goku, so Broly cant touch Goku or any villian from GT. That being said, I believe LSSJ3 Broly would EASILY handle Buuhan, but I think that Vegeto(who was an SSJ1 btw) would either be an even match (not as likely) or (more likely) would out class LSSJ3 Broly. Edited by The-Marksman, Aug 24 2009, 04:24 PM.
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| BattleMetal | Aug 24 2009, 05:26 PM Post #12 |
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Vegito was a SS2 in the manga matey (flashy transformation, lightning effects). I said this in my previous post what i was referring to. Anime i think they change this OR they dont highlight the fact that he was in his SS2 as they dont always do the lightning effect and his power is so much higher than anyone elses. Obviously BuuHan wasnt even in his league so it was hard to tell how strong Vegito was except that he was impossibly stronger. I thought SS3 Broly was fake till i saw the actual drawings and detailed info Pysam posted up (cant read the language). Viewed a video on Youtube and in the last seconds of the clip you see SS3 Broly for all of 1 second. Wonder if he will have a new more devastating attack or just a bigger flashier version of what he already has? |
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