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Topic Started: Aug 17 2009, 03:22 PM (313 Views)
*Rebel X*	Aug 17 2009, 03:22 PM Post #1
Posts: 5,561 Group: Shadow Rep Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	Quote: Um hi im new and i just like wanna now sumthing since this is the question area. if trunks gets his sword in movie 13 after future truncks came from the android destroyied time how could he have his sword then? anyone else think that is weird
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Psyam	Aug 17 2009, 03:32 PM Post #2
Posts: 1,199 Group: Super Moderator Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Firefox	To answer the guy's question, they aren't the same sword. Tapion's sword can't of been the one Future Trunks had. The reason why is simple. There was no Dragonballs in Future Trunk's timeline to unlock the music box. Thus, Tapion would of never been released. Even if Tapion did get out of the box somehow, they wouldn't of been able to defeat Hirudegarn. The only way it could possibly of happened would be if Trunks actually did kill Tapion when he absorbed Hirudegarn into himself...but again, Tapion would never of been out of his box in the first place. So yeah, they arn't the same sword. Movie 13 is just a good story for how present Trunk's gets a sword, not Future Trunk's sword.



supervegito57	Aug 17 2009, 04:14 PM Post #3
Posts: 16 Group: New Member Member #4,395 Joined: August 16, 2009	ok thank you for that answer it all now makes sense and it is clearer to me now. but i also have another question . after the z fighters are able to go super saiyan 2 do they always go supersayian 2 and never go back to 1. beacause it is hard to tell the difference between the 2



*Rebel X*	Aug 17 2009, 05:02 PM Post #4
Posts: 5,561 Group: Shadow Rep Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	They all have the ability to go from 1 to 2 and back from 2 to 1. Aside from the increasing strength, speed and overall power the physical differences are hard to spot. Notice first the hair. In SSJ1 it mainly goes blond and lifts a bit but the SSJ2 not only goes blonde but the tone is a bit more darker and sharper. The hairs become more spiky and most of the forehead is clear of hair. The outside aura is alos a difference. The golden aura in SSJ2 becomes bigger than the SSJ1. In Most cases but not all the time, you'll see an electic or lightning presence or ambiance produced when they are in Super Saiyan 2 form. SS1SSJ2 ... and of course a bonus, the obvious differences in SSJ3 produce the fierce finished product of DBZ. Sorry for the bad quality. SSJ3
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Psyam	Aug 17 2009, 05:39 PM Post #5
Posts: 1,199 Group: Super Moderator Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Firefox	Some times, like when Vegeta fights Super Buu or Janemba, they have no lightening, but I just assume they're Super Saiyan 2 anyway. It wouldn't make sense for them to use a weaker transformation when they need all the power they can get.



Kotetsu	Aug 17 2009, 05:46 PM Post #6
SOUPER SAYIN THREE Posts: 6,114 Group: Admin Adviser Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Favourite Anime Naruto What Browser do you use? Firefox, anything else is for failures. Favourite Manga Naruto Shippuuden, Straight from Japan.	That's a very unexplained portion of future trunks. Where he got his sword. It looks exactly like Tapions sword. I would assume that was the idea when making future trunks. Just never explained. Also plot hole.
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supervegito57	Aug 17 2009, 08:06 PM Post #7
Posts: 16 Group: New Member Member #4,395 Joined: August 16, 2009	thanks for explaing the supersayian thing but to add to the trunks think when tapion left the planet he left in a time machine. so the question is still unswered since of the new comment. i have another question (what else is new right haha) do u think vegeta could go to ssj3 or ssj4 by himself??? let me know your thoughts



Unlisshed	Aug 18 2009, 05:14 AM Post #8
Posts: 116 Group: Member Member #4,178 Joined: May 4, 2009	SSJ3 is hard for saiyans to keep up for any period of time, Goku was only able to reach that level beause he was dead when he did it, in otherworld, having the advantage of more-or-less endless energy. As cool as it would be, I doubt Vegeta would ever reach SSJ3, just from lacking of the amount energy that is needed to maintain the transformation. SSJ4 is another matter entirely because they need the tail to transform to Oozaru before being able to turn into the Golden Ape, then SSJ4. Vegeta doesn't have a tail, and it's only with Bulma's Blutz Wave Generator that he's able to grow it back and then transform. When he leaves the SSJ4 form, his tail is still not there, so I think he's only able to transform with Bulma's machine, unlike Goku, who, being wished back to being a child and having a tail, he can turn into SSJ4 at will. I hope that helped though I don't claim to know everything about this subject, these are just my assumptions. Edited by Unlisshed, Aug 18 2009, 05:17 AM.



Emperor Cold	Aug 18 2009, 10:51 AM Post #9
Makaioshin Posts: 255 Group: Member Member #3,724 Joined: October 5, 2008 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/GT (yes I like GT...imagine that!) Detective Conan, FMA (original), Yu Yu Hakusho Favourite Manga Anything by Akira Toriyama	I think it's entirely possible that events similar to movie 13 could've happened in Future Trunks' timeline. There must have been another way to open the music box, because Hoi managed to open Minosha's box on another planet without the dragon balls. It was probably just more convenient and/or quicker for him to use the dragon balls, since they just happened to be on the same planet as the box. As for the matter of how they defeated Hirudegarn, Trunks probably killed Tapion while Hirudegarn was inside him. The Trunks of the future wouldn't have hesitated as much due to his being hardened by the world of terror he grew up in.



supervegito57	Aug 18 2009, 09:12 PM Post #10
Posts: 16 Group: New Member Member #4,395 Joined: August 16, 2009	thanks so much for all your opinions. i am trying to figure out most out the questions i have. but i have a another question what is the difference between a ascended sayian and a a ultra super sayian?????? let me now your thoughts



Kotetsu	Aug 18 2009, 09:24 PM Post #11
SOUPER SAYIN THREE Posts: 6,114 Group: Admin Adviser Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Favourite Anime Naruto What Browser do you use? Firefox, anything else is for failures. Favourite Manga Naruto Shippuuden, Straight from Japan.	supervegito57 Aug 18 2009, 09:12 PM thanks so much for all your opinions. i am trying to figure out most out the questions i have. but i have a another question what is the difference between a ascended sayian and a a ultra super sayian?????? let me now your thoughts An Ascended Saiyan is just another word for the levels above regular super. So, 2 3 4 would all be examples of ascended. An Ultra Super Saiyan is a level just before SSJ2. Where the muscles are increased dramatically and strength is almost quadrupled, at a cost of speed of course. (watch the fight between Vegeta and Cell when he first turns perfect.) Perfect example. Quote: "I know I look like I can, Gohan, but these bulky muscles make it hard to move fast, and if I'm going to beat Cell, I can't have anything slowing me down. I may have great power, but what good is it if I can't catch my enemy? It takes more than brute strength to win a fight." — Goku ("The Cell Games")
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*Rebel X*	Aug 19 2009, 12:28 AM Post #12
Posts: 5,561 Group: Shadow Rep Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	Here's a Link to the clip and the quote used by Kot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lik4xc0l3bg He's right about the Ultra SSJ. However, I think Ascended and Ultra is the same thing. When they first used Ascended they were talking about what is also known as Ultra. The Super Saiyan 2, 3 and 4 forms as far as i can remember were never referred to as 'Ascended'. The word itself however, means to be increased so by terms it's the same thing as saying I've gone beyond a SSJ which could be Ultra, 2, 3, or 4. Although according to Dragonball Wiki Ascended Saiyan is something all Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Trunks gained. They gained a bit of mass, power and didn't lose too much speed overall. Ultra Super Saiyan is like the Ascended but only achieved by Goku and Trunks. At this level is when the body becomes so bulky as if it were to explode with muscles. The mass and strength is enormous but the big problem as quoted is the speed of the person. Loss of speed is a literally and figuratively something that will slow the person down in a battle. This state created almost the same amount of power and strength as a SSJ2 but couldn't compete at all with the speed. It lacked greatly Here's a Couple Clips of Trunks when he went USSJ, you can see the difference between him and Vegeta. Even Cell was a bit shocked at his power at first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFex-7VuLPI&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUVWw1I--dc&feature=related
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supervegito57	Aug 19 2009, 02:05 AM Post #13
Posts: 16 Group: New Member Member #4,395 Joined: August 16, 2009	thank you for explaining thiis topic. i feel alot more informed. but i do have a question anyone can anser. what do you think the fusion of majin uub and pan would look like? or how about kid gohan and krillin. name any crazy fusion you can think of???? u choos



*Rebel X*	Aug 19 2009, 06:06 AM Post #14
Posts: 5,561 Group: Shadow Rep Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	LOL, we could go on with countless combination of characters here.
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supervegito57	Aug 19 2009, 08:21 PM Post #15
Posts: 16 Group: New Member Member #4,395 Joined: August 16, 2009	haha i guess your right haha. well one of my final brain busters is his last question.can anyone tell me what the deal with dragonball af is and what parts are real or not



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