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| LSSJ Broly vs. Pikkon | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 11 2009, 03:52 AM (6,606 Views) | |
| The Nameless Namek | Aug 11 2009, 03:52 AM Post #1 |
 
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Hopefully this hasn't been done before so here's the match. LSSJ Broly at his strongest (not sure if it was the first or second Broly movie) against Pikkon. LSSJ Broly from the first movie was able to take on SSJ Goku, SSJ Vegeta, Piccolo fused w/ Kami, SSJ Gohan, and SSJ Future Trunks by himself and almost beat them. Pikkon has trained for thousands of years in the Other World and fought full powered SSJ Goku in the Other World Tournament. He also knocked out Perfect Cell in just one blow in a filler (being a Cell fan, I'll just say that the filler isn't a reliable source of Pikkon's power). It's speed vs. strength, hard training vs. pure rage! Who takes this? |
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Aug 11 2009, 04:25 AM Post #2 |
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Are you drunk? Broly would pwn his ***** for sure! .... My moneys on LSSJ Broly, no explaination needed. Hmph. |
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| BUU | Aug 11 2009, 04:57 AM Post #3 |
 
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I agree that Broly would win, but I wouldn't say that he'd win that easily. Pikkon is also shown to be very powerful as shown when he dealt with Cell. Even though this is an anime filler, Pikkon is anime exclussive. You may say that Cell was caught off guard, but if Pikkon was that weak compared to Cell (who is around Broly's level as proven in the Broly vs Cell thread), how can he manage to deal so much damage to Cell on his first hit? If Pikkon was A LOT weaker than Super Perfect Cell, how can he deal that much damage in a couple of hits? It's like Krillin's signature attack, destructo disk shattering against Cell's neck. Cell was also caught off guard, but it didn't do ****! So, if my observation is true, it means that Pikkon should be able to deal the same ammount of damage to Broly (who has around the same power as Cell), unless Broly is far, far more durable than Cell. Pikkon is also shown to be very fast before taking off his weighted clothes. When he took off his weighted clothes, his movements were virtually undetectable. I think Pikkon's speed would definately give him an edge. Although, there is no evidence that proves Broly is slow (they only make him slow in video-games to make it fair), however, I don't think that Broly is anywhere near Pikkon and Cell's speed. Also, they both have some interesting techniques. Pikkon has thunderflash, burning shoot, hyper tornado, etc. If Pikkon could deal the same ammount of damage to Broly as he did on Cell with a few punches, the thunderflash would devastate Broly, not kill him, but damage him. Since Broly does not have instant transmittion, I don't think he would be able to dodge it. However, Broly seems to be very durable for he claims that the planet exploding would not kill him (he didn't even seem worry about the planet's explosion). Hyper Tornado will annoy Broly, but I have a feeling that he will find a way to escape. I think that Broly's eraser cannon will surely hurt Pikkon if it hits him. And the omega blaster will **** Pikkon up. However, I think that Broly's unlimmited supply of power will help him to win in the end. |
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| * Psyam | Aug 11 2009, 04:18 PM Post #4 |
 
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Goku's Kamehameha owned Pikkon when it finally hit. It did nothing to Broly. Similarly, Goku's punches were able to hurt Pikkon, whereas he couldn't harm Broly at all. Goku was around the same strength in both fights, I'd assume. In the Cell Vs. Broly fight it's different, because Goku couldn't beat Perfect Cell even when Cell was holding back his true power, and even then it's an upgraded Super Perfect Cell, who's far stronger. But Goku was able to put up a good fight against Pikkon. Pikkon was faster, but they seemed even on strength. I can only assume, therefore, that Pikkon would not be able to harm Broly much with any of his punches or kicks, or possibly any move (if a full power Kamehameha to the face didn't phase Broly). So in my opinion, even if Pikkon has a speed advantage, Broly wins by sheer defence and strength. |
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| Super Goku | Aug 11 2009, 04:56 PM Post #5 |
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If Broly can take on 4 super saiyans and Pikkon can only fight one.... I think Broly wins. Seriously, if a planet explosion wont hurt him, i'm sure a few papercuts kudos to Hyper Tornado won't hurt Broly much at all. His endurance definitely makes up for speed. broly FTW |
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| BUU | Aug 11 2009, 06:33 PM Post #6 |
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The kamehameha did not OWN Pikkon. It only did that much damage to Pikkon because it was right in his face. And afterwards, Pikkon got up; he wasn't knocked out, just beaten up really badly. Goku and Perfect Cell battled for a while until Perfect Cell grew tired of being confined to the small ring. So Perfect Cell destroyed the ring and made the battle an all-out fight, just to make things more interesting for him, with no rules applied. Goku threw everything he could at Perfect Cell and even tricked Perfect Cell into believing he would destroy the Earth with a Kamehameha wave. This is where the Warp Kamehameha wave was introduced. Perfect Cell was noticeably afraid as Goku powered up the energy blast, but Goku tricked him by performing Instant Transmission to teleport directly in front of Perfect Cell, and unleashed the blast on him. The entire top half of Perfect Cell was disintegrated. The Z Warriors seemed content until the remains of Perfect Cell jumped to its feet and regenerated. Goku knew that if he continued the Earth would be destroyed, or Perfect Cell and himself would die fighting each other. Goku suddenly forfeited the match to Perfect Cell and surrendered. He reasoned that only one person could defeat Perfect Cell. When Goku revealed his son Gohan as his pick to fight, the Z Fighters were furious (noticeably Vegeta and Piccolo) and Perfect Cell was amused. Obviously, Goku realized that he couldn't beat Cell. Cell couldn't beat Goku either. So, Goku and Cell were dead even. And, I would also like to point out what I said in my previous post, if Pikkon was that weak compared to Cell, how can he manage to deal so much damage to Cell on his first hit? If Pikkon was A LOT weaker than Super Perfect Cell, how can he deal that much damage in a couple of hits? It's like Perfect Cell vs Vegeta and Trunks; even with their strongest hits, Cell was completely unfazed. He wasn't even trying or paying attention. The same thing happened with Pikkon, Cell wasn't paying attention, yet he was still hurt tremendously by Pikkon's hits. (I amwatching the videos while I am posting this) Pikkon clearly had the advantage against Goku. Pikkon had like a 60% advantage. His speed was so fast that even Goku couldn't keep up (even with instant transmittion). Also, there is no evidence that suggests that Pikkon is weak. His hits actually damaged Goku, his hyper tornado would have defeated Goku if he hadn't escaped, and his thunderflash damaged Goku severely. Now, let me discuss the Broly vs Goku fight. There is a possibilty that Broly could have only been like 25%-30% stronger than Goku and the other Z fighters. I watched the video and noticed that the Z fighters fought Broly one at a time. eg. Goku fights Broly and loses, then Gohan fights Broly and loses, etc. He only fought them one on one. This is why when Goku got the energy from all his friends, he beat Broly in a punch. If the Z fighters fought Broly at the same time, the result would be the same. As for the ksmehameha, it is possible that Broly could have only been 20% (or even a less percent) stronger than the attack. In DBZ, even a small percent can make you completely unfazed by an attack. My point is that I don't think that Broly was that much stronger than the Z fighters. Even after all this, Broly would win this fight. So, you may be wondering why I bothered to put all this information about Pikkon and his advantages. Well, this is because I think Broly would win, but not easily. So, I had to back my theory up with evidence.  Edited by BUU, Aug 11 2009, 06:47 PM.
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| MajinFUSION | Aug 11 2009, 06:46 PM Post #7 |
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Pikkon Wouldnt Be Able To Stand Brolys Explosive Wave Cause It Would Fry Him lol :P |
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Aug 11 2009, 06:48 PM Post #8 |
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 This is when Goku fought Pikkon in Otherworld. At the very beginning of the fight, Goku powers up, creating a lightning aura. Now, there are two things to note. One, is that he is in Otherworld, and he states that his power is much easier to maintain and control. The second, is that we're never really even sure when Goku reaches SSJ2. Sure we see when he reaches the third form, but not the second. When better to reach it than when you're going up against an adversary that just destroyed Cell? That's something that Goku couldn't even do when he was FPSSJ, with a free fully charged Kamehameha catching him off guard. I think Goku was SSJ2 when he fought Pikkon. Lightning aura is an inconsistency in the series. Oh, and even with that all in mind, I still think Broly would win. Edited by Dark, Aug 11 2009, 06:50 PM.
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| BUU | Aug 11 2009, 06:53 PM Post #9 |
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This is a very interesting picture you have here. Good job. However, this does not seem like SS2's hair for Goku. It looks like SS Goku's hair. There is a possibilty that they only gave Goku lightning to make him look more powerful. If it was SS2, how could Goku reach it? I remember that SS and SS2 take extreme emotion to transform into for the first time. But your post makes some good points. Oh yeah, IF this was SS2 Goku, than Pikkon would win. The gap between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 is pretty big. Even a Legendary Super Saiyan doesn't have enough power to keep up with SS2. Edited by BUU, Aug 11 2009, 06:58 PM.
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| * Psyam | Aug 11 2009, 07:07 PM Post #10 |
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Yes, he was beaten up really badly. What happened when Goku did a full power Kamehameha to Broly's face? Nothing. And I daresay there was more power in the Kamehameha against Broly then the one against Pikkon. Goku barely had a chance to charge it against Pikkon. No, Goku was not equal to Perfect Cell. Perfect Cell never showed his real power untill Gohan transformed. Goku, however, stated he was giving it his all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5HDzNBcTH0 Goku looks pretty shocked at Cell's real power. As are the rest of the Z fighters. Because Pikkon is filler, and they make mistakes. But if we ignore that, the only logical solution is that Cell was not powered up. He could have swatted Goku like a fly at that point, so there was no reason for him to be using his full power. Unless Goku WAS SSJ2 while fighting Pikkon (which I don't think he was, basically no time passed since the Cell Games, he didn't have a chance to unlock it), there is no way Goku or Pikkon for that matter could reach Cell's power. To say that Pikkon with weighted clothing is even near to Cell's power is to say that BASE Goku (who kept up with weighted clothes Pikkon) is also near or greater then SPC's power, and that's ridiculous. Pikkon is no where near Cell's level. Anyway, back to Broly. It wouldn't, they'd get owned. Quality > Quantity. There was a point at which Broly stood on top of a spire, and at least 3 of them attacked him all together (I can't remember exactly), and he was standing still and dodging all their attacks at once. The only reason the energy transfer worked must be because it works something like Fusion. The powers don't just add to each other, they multiply. There's no other way that a injured Goku and energy from totally wasted fighters could stack up to Broly's power otherwise. To be honest the only one who even had any energy to give was Vegeta. Goku at least had the ability to hurt Pikkon. He couldn't hurt Broly at all. 'Nuff said. |
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Aug 11 2009, 07:30 PM Post #11 |
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Yeah, I know. Watching that whole first Broly movie was just ridiculous. The entire thing was just, Goku getting pounded left and right while Broly just dropped insulting lines every now and then. |
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| The Nameless Namek | Aug 11 2009, 09:46 PM Post #12 |
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I agree with Psyam here about Pikkon and Cell. DBZ fillers are not reliable sources for PL. There is no way in hell that Pikkon with weighted clothes could match Perfect Cell's power. Back to Broly vs. Pikkon. Although Pikkon has the speed advantage, if he can't hurt Broly, he loses. And if a Kamehameha wave to the face can't hurt Broly, well nothing Pikkon can toss at him will hurt either. So Broly takes this decisively. And yeah the first Broly movie was messed up. The energy transfer at the end was ridiculous; they just had to find a way to beat Broly somehow. |
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| BUU | Aug 12 2009, 01:05 AM Post #13 |
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You are brushing away the main fact! It was clearly shown that Pikkon easily dealt with Cell! So what if Pikkon is a filler? He's anime exclussive, so maybe the animators decided that they wanted him to be powerful. He clearly demonstrated his power against Cell. This is the most important piece of evidence for a Pikkon vs Cell fight!!! Even if Cell did power up, I think that he would still get hurt (durability and power are two completely different things) And there may be no logical solution. DBZ doesn't always have to be logical. Remember the Cooler vs Frieza thread? Well, it was proven that Cooler was more powerful (by the way, good job ), yet he was defeated by SS Goku more easily than Frieza. There wasn't really any logical solution, it was just stated. It's the same thing as Pikkon and Cell.And Pikkon with weighted clothes still has the same power (when he takes off weighted clothes, he doesn't transform and become more powerful). He's just much slower than without weighted clothes. Than, you may be wondering why base Goku was even with Pikkon? Well, do you remember the scene where they tried pushing each other. Well, obviously with weights, it would be harder to use your power to the max because the weights put a lot of pressure on your arms, legs, head, etc. And the weighted clothes were proven to be VERY heavy (this was stated by Goku). As for the kamehameha part, you got me stumped. lol.  If Goku's not fully charged kamehameha could do that much damage, Broly's attacks would obliberate Pikkon. But keep in mind that Goku's attack only hit Pikkon because Pikkon was caught off guard and Goku used instant transmittion. Without instant transmittion, I doubt that any of Broly's attacks will hit Pikkon. (He could do a omega blaster to destroy the planet and end the fight because he can survive the explosion of a planet.)And for the last time, I am not saying that Pikkon would win this! I am just doubtful that he would be defeated easily. |
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| * Psyam | Aug 12 2009, 01:40 AM Post #14 |
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Cell was caught off guard, that's all. He didn't power up before attacking Goku, and even in his Perfect Form, it took Cell a long time to power up to his maximum. This is Super Perfect we're talking about. Also, Cell's fights against Goku and Trunks proved that Cell likes to hold back to make a fight challenging. There is no way he would of been at his full power when Pikkon hit him down. He could have been at 1% for all we know, like Frieza used to be. He was clearly confident he could swat Goku. How, pray tell, could Goku even hurt Pikkon with ANY attacks, if Pikkon was able to own Cell like that if Cell was at his full power? If Pikkon could realistically do that to Cell's real power, Goku would of been OWNED by Pikkon in a few hits. The power gap between SPC and Goku is too big for Goku to be able to put up a fight against Pikkon, if Pikkon was near Cell's power. Super Perfect Cell > Perfect Cell (Maximum power) > Pikkon > Perfect Cell (Supressed) > FPSSJ Goku Cell's true power in his Perfect form was made a big deal of when he finally revealed it, everyone was shocked, including Goku, and your saying SUPER Perfect Cell's real power would be smacked around like that by Pikkon? The only way Pikkon would beat Cell would be if Goku was SSJ2 when fighting Pikkon, but he can't of been, seeing as how virtually no time had passed since he died. |
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| BUU | Aug 12 2009, 02:36 AM Post #15 |
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As I said earlier, this doesn't have to be logical. It could be compared with the Cooler vs Goku fight where Goku beat Cooler with much, much, much, much more ease than Frieza. Yet, Cooler was proven to be more power. And since Super Perfect Cell is around Broly's (who is the victor of this fight), Pikkon obviously wouldn't be able to smack Cell around like that. But if Pikkon was so much weaker than Perfect Cell, how could he inflict damage to Super Perfect (surpressed), if the gap between Super Perfect (surpressed) and Perfect is still pretty large? Pikkon would have to have at least a little more powerful than Perfect Cell at max power. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to hurt Cell. So, here's my table. Broly >= Super Perfect Cell >>> Super Perfect (surpressed) >= Pikkon > Perfect Cell(surpressed) >FPSS Goku So, in conclusion Super Perfect Cell at his full power or Broly could beat Pikkon if Pikkon faught SS Goku. If Pikkon faught SS2 Goku, Pikkon would win no problem. So, Psyam your right, Super Perfect Cell is more powerful than Pikkon (however, I'm doubtful that either Cell or Broly would win easily). |
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