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If you were the director of DB:E...
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What would you do differently.

Take in mind you need to create a good setting and a good plot to keep viewers interested. Also, make sure you make the movie understandable to people who don't know Dragon Ball too well.

Assuming that the movie is based in the King Piccolo saga, you need to be able to describe the whole background of dragon ball, and fit the whole King Piccolo saga into one movie that can be no more than 2 hours.

And if you were to make a sequel, how would you do so? What saga would you use to incorporated? Piccolo Jr. Saga? Or would you move to a completely different story, such as Dragon Ball Z or Dragon Ball GT?
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first of all, start with grampa gohan finding goku in the SAIYAN space pod, because dragonball evolution is like goku is not a saiyan with no tail, no full moon and not the real oozaru. then meet bulma, meet master roshi and krillin and nimbus, then have a quick an easy dragonball hunt, if you meet the dragon at the start of the movie that really shows what dragonball is about. and show goku and krillin's training, and the real KAMEHAMEHA.

then you could introduce all the other dragonball characters and goku's transformation along the dragonball quest, then skip forward to the world tournament to get to know the characters and then the villain because whenever there is a world martial arts tournament there is trouble. so then piccollo is the villain and after a proper battle with all the energy blasts and flying, a real dragonball experience, and after goku eventually defeats piccollo and because we've met popo and kami (lets just say they're the ones who grow the senzu beans because there wont be talking animals, but if we've got weird looking aliens i dont see why not) he takes a senzu bean and gives one to piccollo, just to introduce his stupid and naieve attitude toward his enemies, for the future. then close with a saiyan space pod heading toward earth and all you see is a silhouette of raditz but the viewers wont know that, except dbz fans.

i think you could squeeze that into two hours, there is obviously some stuff i've forgotten but that is my opinion.
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- Made oozaru bigger, Much bigger.
- Put more effort into the KameHameha wave, (and any other beam for that matter).
- But roshi, On an island.
- Put more effort into goku's hair.
- Put the flying nimbus in.


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Didn't I make a similar thread? Like, "How would you do a Dragonball Movie" or something?

But I've thought about this, extensively. I am almost ashamed at how geeky I've been about it; but alas. Now is the time for me to show these ideas. To DBZ fans. Who may or may not live in a different country :P

Firstly, I'd have asked, begged, pleaded, whatever, for another company besides FOX to have bought the rights. Universal, Warner Bros. I don't care! FOX touched it, forced changes. It was horrible, and they're to blame.

Secondly, of the existing film... I'd have SLOWED IT DOWN. While it's funny to see all this happen so fast, I kid you not the movie's done in 70 minutes. Pacing was my biggest problem.

Thirdly, I'd make a few edits in the plot.
* Explanations, in an attempt to erase plot-holes. (The prophecy, the eclipse, Goku's race (and why Piccolo's using Goku), how Oozaru was reborn when he disappeared 2000 years ago, why Roshi waited so long before jumping out of Yamcha's trap, what are the Fulum, Mai's transforming ability, the Capsule Corporation, even how Piccolo escaped, Goku's staff, Piccolo's sword seen in the trailer, the concept of ki... none of that is explained. It's briefly touched upon, mentioned in deleted scenes or the novel, or simply is.)
* I'd change some of the high school bit. While Goku being a loner in high school is acceptable (as it leads us to the climax of Goku finally "having faith in who he is," though that itself isn't Dragonball at all) it should at least be changed a whole lot: Goku and Gohan should be living in the wild, with Goku not knowing ANYBODY 'til he meets Bulma, whom he follows to school. That can be where he meets the other high schoolers and realizes he's a loner. Then simply change the later scene of Goku meeting Bulma.
* Add more characters. Sure, it's enough Roshi, Yamcha and Bulma were in there. But they could add Krillin as an eager monk who wants Roshi to train him instead of Goku, leading to a mild rivalry as the battle with Piccolo draws nearer. One could even possibly add Tien (screw Chaozu. :3 ). He could be some help in the final fight, or be an arrogant fighter who tries to assist Goku but ends up getting in the way (one could even add a similar scene to where King Piccolo has Tien hostage in order to stop Goku's attacks).

Fourthly... I'd direct the scenes differently.
* The action scenes (starting with the Fulum fight) were too short to truly appreciate. One could make them longer, make them interesting, make them stand out. Also, the final fight with the Kamehameha was too odd. No explanation (this goes with the editing) is giving for why Goku, who only the night before simply blew some wind, is now using it as a full blast. It's not explained if it even is a huge beam, as Goku jumps when he uses it. I personally would have Goku stand there, using his new Super Saiyan powers (ok, it's not really super saiyan... but he's accepted he is Oozaru, so it COULD be the movie equivalent XD) until Piccolo's fire-bomb is about to finish him. THEN he could jump, to try and force it back... yeah.
* The acting for the most part is awkward. It might not be the actors' faults; it could be the director. The writing is sometimes acceptable, but the delivery is mostly wrong (good reasons why it's so funny). Change a few lines, change the delivery (personally, I find the best delivery before the final Kamehameha, where Goku says "I must have faith in who I am).
* The ki looked good enough at times, but it could have been a whole lot better. Same with most of the special effects. One would think, with the team behind the Matrix behind this, it'd have been better...

I also have personal explanations for a few things in the film, which if anyone asks I could go into later.

Dragonball Evolution had the producers, had the actors (who were fans!), and seemed to think it really was an amazing movie on an epic scale. Turns out, it bombed ( click here and just scroll up a few notches). Just a few (ok, I listed more than a few :D ) changes are all it takes to truly tap into DB:E's full potential.
And that's just me tampering with an existing movie. An original movie would be 10 times different.
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first of all, start with grampa gohan finding goku in the SAIYAN space pod, because dragonball evolution is like goku is not a saiyan with no tail, no full moon and not the real oozaru. then meet bulma, meet master roshi and krillin and nimbus, then have a quick an easy dragonball hunt, if you meet the dragon at the start of the movie that really shows what dragonball is about. and show goku and krillin's training, and the real KAMEHAMEHA.

then you could introduce all the other dragonball characters and goku's transformation along the dragonball quest, then skip forward to the world tournament to get to know the characters and then the villain because whenever there is a world martial arts tournament there is trouble. so then piccollo is the villain and after a proper battle with all the energy blasts and flying, a real dragonball experience, and after goku eventually defeats piccollo and because we've met popo and kami (lets just say they're the ones who grow the senzu beans because there wont be talking animals, but if we've got weird looking aliens i dont see why not) he takes a senzu bean and gives one to piccollo, just to introduce his stupid and naieve attitude toward his enemies, for the future. then close with a saiyan space pod heading toward earth and all you see is a silhouette of raditz but the viewers wont know that, except dbz fans.

i think you could squeeze that into two hours, there is obviously some stuff i've forgotten but that is my opinion.
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I would have it done like Final Fantasy 7 and resident evil Degeneration not live action for a start.
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Shortly after the movie came out, I posted a journal entry on deviantART about a dream I had on DB:E...sort of my vision of the best it could possibly be, realistically speaking (since there will never be a live action movie that fits the vision we would all like to see). Here's the copypasta of that dream.

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So...no lie here...I dreamt about Dragonball: Evolution last night.

Yeah.

This is odd because A) I haven't seen it B) I don't dream a lot, and when I do, it's usually something completely *****ed up and random or influenced by whatever video game I've been playing recently (I've had many dreams based on Paper Mario and The Legend of Zelda in particular >.>; ). So...it was really strange waking up throughout the night and realizing what I was dreaming about.

I'm something of an insomniac, as well - have been since I was little; I've never really slept well. I rarely get tired unless I'm sick, and I get by just fine on 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night, if that - I tend to go to bed around 3 AM, and I have to be up at 6 every morning to go to school. In addition to this, when I do get to bed at night, I wake up at regular intervals on most nights and tend to do this...I dunno, after about 30-45 minutes of being asleep. Not always, but most often, this is how I sleep.

And every time I woke up last night...I had an odd sort of 'wha...?' reaction when I realized what I was dreaming about.

Now, the first thing I did when I got out of bed was to type this up so as to remember as much of it as possible. I'm going to share with you what I remember from the contents of this dream, and try to make it as understandable as possible - of course, mind you, I am trying to transcribe a dream, and dreams are typically unusual and difficult to remember clearly, so don't expect this all to make perfect and coherent sense. Also keep in mind that I have NOT seen this movie for myself (reeeeally don't want to, but on some level, I feel I should, like it's my duty as a DB fan... *shudder* ), but I've read plenty of reviews, detailed synopses, discussed it with friends who have seen it, and have been keeping track of the various threads on Daizenshuu EX sporadically for the past year. Got it? Here we go.

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For some reason, despite just coming out, the movie was on TV. My father was in the living room with me and it had just come on whatever channel he was watching - for the record, my father moved out of our house a year and a half ago, and I don't exactly make a habit of talking to the bastard, so this was strange was well. But anyways, knowing I like Dragonball, he made a remark on the film, and I started going on a tirade ranting about it. I guess in this dream, I took the knowledge I have of the movie from all the reviews, and that amounted towards the dream me having actually seen it...but whatever, the channel was not changed. I watched 'DB:E', which involved starred Chatwin as Gokou and what's-her-face as Bulma, but the similarities, for the most part, ended there. The story certainly wasn't the story of the real DB:E, but it wasn't exactly like the real DB in live-action either...it was kinda like...the style reminded me of your generic sci-fi original series, if that makes sense. It was a lot more like what DB:E should have been; loosely based on DB, but...well, not retarded. It FELT like it deserved the branding of 'adaptation', whereas DB:E...doesn't.

As I watched, I didn't really think of Chatku as being Gokou, but I wasn't repulsed by him, either. The story was more focused in the Pilaf arc of the original DB, and the way they went about finding the DB's was almost identical, only with some more fighting (all martial arts, no Ki or anything), and Oolong wasn't some freakish anthropomorphic CGI pig (which I would have expected if he were in the real DB:E), he was just a lecherous human (maybe demon? I dunno, looked human, whatever) guy who could shapeshift...there was no Piccolo, no Mai, and Yamcha actually looked like his DB counterpart (with the headband and short hair he had in the 21st Budoukai, though; not the long-haired Yamcha when he's first introduced). Dream live-action Yamcha was actually kinda hot, and he was pretty cool - not based on his atrocious dub counterpart that the DB:E version was apparently based on (you know, surfer accent and mannerisms, all that *****; this was the real Yamcha, only a little stronger, and his personality was closer to Tenshinhan's).

Also, Gokou wasn't a child, nor was he an angsty high school loser like in the real DB:E...he was just a guy who grew up in the mountains (alone? With grandpa? My dream didn't really sweat these details, he was just a 20-something mountain hick), and he looked like Chatku (with a similar dogi, too, but done by a better costume designer). There was no Roshi, no Pu'ar, and Pilaf was a little more frighteningly demonic-looking (average human height, BTW)...but he was still a ridiculous comic-relief type of villain. Chatku didn't become an Oozaru, either the original DB style or the DB:E style...the dream just didn't get that far in the story. As I said, the 'story' was pretty much a mirror of the original DB hunt, but not exactly event-by-event the same as it happened in the original Manga...there was a lot of what I guess you'd call 'filler' if it was in the original Anime. That 'filler' was reminiscent of, as I said, a sci-fi original series, or dare I say...Power Rangers/a Super Sentai show. They did go to Mount Frypan to find a DB, as well, but I don't think Gyuumaoh was there, and I know there was no Chi-Chi, it was mostly just an issue of braving a volcano-type place and fighting a few monsters and getting the DB.

Chatku never learned a Kamehame Ha (no Roshi) or any sort of Ki technique; every bit of fighting was martial arts. OH!! The Nyoi-Bo wasn't an extending Bo Staff, either, but was a...I forget what they're called...those segmented staffs that the Gokou of Gensomaden Saiyuki (another series based on Journey to the West, the same legend as DB was based on) has, and it didn't extend, but he fought with it similarly to how you'd fight with nunchaku. Also, for the record, Chatku's personality wasn't really the same as the Gokou we know and love, nor was it that loser Chatku from the real DB:E...he was closer to the real Gokou, but since he was an adult, a little more confident and less 'stupid'; I guess you could call him 'cool', though he was still pretty clueless about technology and how to behave around the other characters with what we'd call 'manners', the way the real Gokou would be...but he was a little more clever at setting traps and reading his opponents than the early DB Gokou was (pre-DBZ).

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That's about all there was - I know it seems like a lot of info for what I said was a relatively short dream (we were watching this movie amidst the other dream goings-on), but it went by quicker in the dream itself than it took to describe it in text. Essentially, it was shorter than the actual first story arc/Pilaf arc of DB, just loosely (far less loosely than DB:E) based around it, with some 'filler' material in-between, and slight differences in the cast of characters.

Still - doesn't this sound like the type of DB:E you'd be able to get on board with?! No, it's hardly the Dragonball we know and love, but isn't it a little more reminiscent of it? No vague America-like story setting (most of the thing seemed to take place in and around the desert where Yamcha was found; kinda mountainous regions, like the rocky place where Gokou and Vegeta fought for the first time), no incoherent plotlines that were just kinda 'there', the characters were a little closer to the way we know them, even if they were modified to fit the movie a little better (most movie adaptations take such liberties, though; they're 'understandable' liberties), and having Pilaf as the villain - someone who doesn't require a backstory - seemed a little cleaner. I mean, from what I understand, Piccolo was barely in the movie at all, when the real Piccolo Daimaoh of DB was a little more worth taking seriously...Pilaf is a bit of a better choice for that 'throwaway villain' type, and though my dream didn't really get to a 'showdown' or anything, from what dream-Pilaf was like, he felt far more appropriate in the scheme of things.

The 'movie' didn't seem to take itself too seriously (DB:E trying to feel DBZ-esque), nor was it extremely cheesy and seeming like it was trying to be a 'comedy' for young children (which I've heard is how DB:E feels). It had a 'cheesy' feel to it, but again...in the style of Power Rangers or a sci-fi original series, that kind of 'cheesy', not the 'bad' kind of cheesy. It worked well, and it felt more like Dragonball, which was originally a silly little gag Manga story that was lighthearted and fun - though the 'dream DB:E' had some more fighting in it, it wasn't anything DBZ-caliber, and somehow, it felt... right. If there had to be a live-action DB movie, and it had to be modified a bit for the audience and the big screen, and even if we had to put up with Chatku...this is how it should have been done.

Anyways, I thought I'd share that before I forgot the dream - so to everyone reading this, I'd love you to tell me what you think of this. If this was how the live action DB movie was...would you want to see it? How would you feel about it if my dream was the actual Dragonball: Evolution? Personally, I think it's unrealistic to expect an absolutely perfect live-action adaptation to a wacky series like Dragonball, but this little experience put together by my subconscious is probably the closest thing to what I'd call a 'live-action Dragonball adaptation'. A little more modern, yes, without the classic Chinese feel the original DB had, but without trying to feel like it was taking place in 2000's America like DB:E...I dunno, but I feel like my 'dream DB:E' was pretty freakin' perfect, all things considered.

So...thoughts?

I guess I'll take my subconscious' word for it as that being the kind of thing I'd have done with DB:E if I were the director. :P
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Get actors who are of similar ages to the characters. Start the film near the end of Goku's fight with Tien at the tournament. Flash back and forth between the fight, Picollo creating Tambourine and Tambourine flying towards the tournament. Also have some epic music and the tournament commentator in the background. Then show Goku and Tien falling through the air. Cut to a first person view of Goku looking up at the sky then falling unconcious. Then we have black, then Goku hears everyone's voices and slowly awakens. Now make the story follow the manga very closely, possibly adding more dialogue where appropriate. I believe that at this point it is actually possible to make the film almost exactly the same as the Manga. Obviously there needs to be some minor changes with dialogue. You also might have to be quite imaginative with the cinematography, sound and music. In this film it is not necessary to explain anybody's origins. That is the job of a sequel. Basically with some imagination and some creative and thoughtful tweaking to the original manga, this film can be just as good. Oh and don't bother with Chaoutzu, the Crane Master, Lunch, Puar, Oolong, the turtle or Yamcha (he wasn't really in this saga much anyway)
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Obviously there needs to be some minor changes with dialogue. You also might have to be quite imaginative with the cinematography, sound and music. In this film it is not necessary to explain anybody's origins. That is the job of a sequel. Basically with some imagination and some creative and thoughtful tweaking to the original manga, this film can be just as good. Oh and don't bother with Chaoutzu, the Crane Master, Lunch, Puar, Oolong, the turtle or Yamcha (he wasn't really in this saga much anyway)
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If i were the director of DBE i would be hiding in cave on a huge mountain that is somewhere very remote and isolated. So i don't get murdered by angry fans :p
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If I were the director of DB:E, I would formally apologize to all that I might have offended with DB:E, and then I would give them hope for an all CGI remake that would rework the story, characters and events to match more closely with it's source material, but more importantly, that just simply does justice to the source material.

This wouldn't be to far from what Marvel did when the remade the Incredible Hulk movie last year, after it got so much negative feed back. If you set up polls and other such things to get peoples thoughts and oppenions, or relied more heavily on feed back from messages sent directly to your staff about things they would like to see in the movie, than you could please people a lot more, and also take into consideration what kinds of things the "fans" may be interested in seeing in the first place.
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If I were the director of DB:E, I would formally apologize to all that I might have offended with DB:E, and then I would give them hope for an all CGI remake that would rework the story, characters and events to match more closely with it's source material, but more importantly, that just simply does justice to the source material.

This wouldn't be to far from what Marvel did when the remade the Incredible Hulk movie last year, after it got so much negative feed back. If you set up polls and other such things to get peoples thoughts and oppenions, or relied more heavily on feed back from messages sent directly to your staff about things they would like to see in the movie, than you could please people a lot more, and also take into consideration what kinds of things the "fans" may be interested in seeing in the first place.
That's what I (sorta) plan on doing. Of course, there's only so much you can rely on fans before going "Wait a minute, aren't I the one making this movie?"

But why CGI? Live-action could work. it would just require actual effort :o
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