SSJ Gotenks (post-ROSAT) Vs. SSJ3 Goku

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SSJ Gotenks (post-ROSAT) Vs. SSJ3 Goku
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~~Dark~~	Jul 13 2009, 05:34 AM Post #16
Posts: 1,589 Group: GTFO Member #4,185 Joined: May 9, 2009 What Browser do you use? Flareon	Nothing Jul 12 2009, 02:50 AM And don't please say that thing: "Goku said that the fighter stronger than him self(In this case Gotenks) would be fighting Majin Buu " Goku said that only to convince Majin Buu not to go and destroy everything...Goku couldn't have known how strong Gotenks is going to be. Many are thinking that Gotenks is stronger just because of this sentence Goku said to Buu. Then, if Goku didn't know that Gotenks would be strong enough, why didn't Goku himself fight Majin Buu? Also, how about when Goku fights evenly with Kid Buu (who is weaker than Super Buu)? Gotenks put up a decent fight against Super Buu, if I recall correctly. common sense > inability to accept logical reasoning common sense > crazed teenage fan boy



BattleMetal	Jul 13 2009, 05:09 PM Post #17
Posts: 596 Group: Member Member #3,821 Joined: November 24, 2008	Brian Jul 13 2009, 05:34 AM Then, if Goku didn't know that Gotenks would be strong enough, why didn't Goku himself fight Majin Buu? Just wanted to say on this Goku putting the boys forward to fight. Reason Goku didnt finish the job is because he A. wanted this generation and future generations to fight without his aid, to become independant and train hard. He could have easily defeated Fat Buu on his own but chose not to. B. He only went SS3 to give a show, ensure that he survived the battle and give Trunks the time needed to find the Dragon Radar. Maybe even to show Goten and Trunks just how powerful they could potentially become. C. He believed that with the boys unusually high power levels and ability at becoming Super Saiyans at such a young age couple that with the Fusion Dance would allow them to beat Fat Buu. D. He knew SS2 wasnt strong enough but a Fusion warrior could exceed the SS2 limit and overcome Buu. Not in the sense that they would evolve into a SS3 just a stronger SS/ SS2. He didnt expect them to become SS3, this was a massive bonus. Remember Goku expected Goten and Trunks to become a better fighter than 'FAT' Buu not 'SUPER' Buu (this was something that Goku could not have foreseen in Buu becoming). Luckily after their failed attempt at defeating Super Buu (well it wasnt really a failed attempt just that Buu's regeneration saved him- bugger ) they had a trump card (which they didnt have time to do 1st time round/ Piccolo intervened) which was SS3. The way i see SS Gotenks (without SS3) is like a Krillin vs Nappa scenario. Krillin was not in Nappas league in a fist fight BUT he had an awesomely deadly attack, the Destructo Disc which would have decapitated Nappa. I see SS Gotenks like that, in a fist fight Goku wins but with their Ghost Kamikaze they could potentially kill/beat SS3 Goku. im coming round to the idea that SS3 Gotenks 'MIGHT' be more powerful than SS3 Goku (when he is alive), whether or not he could beat the old timer in a fight is another story. Still the boys do have a lot of enthusiam when it comes to fighting. Edited by BattleMetal, Jul 13 2009, 05:17 PM.
	http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8040430/1/ Link to my DBZ fan-fic tale: Saiyans, Frieza, the Ginyu Force and other alien races and beings all chucked into the soup-pot for all out action and glory! http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8129945/1/#new Link to a DBZ inspired story/ battle scenario that i did when i was 16 http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8071554/1/#new Link to the Marvel/DC tale of the super-powered hereos and villians of both verses. Biggest heavy-hitters square off in an almight-free-for-all brawl!


~~Dark~~	Jul 13 2009, 06:09 PM Post #18
Posts: 1,589 Group: GTFO Member #4,185 Joined: May 9, 2009 What Browser do you use? Flareon	Yeah, but in order to figure this out, you may have to know about the other threads in the VS debates. We've pretty firmly established that SSJ3 Goku isn't as strong as Super Buu. Nowhere near it, considering Goku couldn't defeat Janemba, and Janemba is around Super Buu's power.



BattleMetal	Jul 13 2009, 06:22 PM Post #19
Posts: 596 Group: Member Member #3,821 Joined: November 24, 2008	First off its a movie they have to make it dramatic to introduce a new way to win (ie Fusion/ Gogeta), they cant show Goku winning as a SS3. I watched the clip where Goku faces off against Janemba, he does alrite, then starts losing and runs away, injured. Janemba has crazy attacks and fights Goku in an unorthdox manner. Was a dissapointing encounter to watch. These versus things always come down to who has the highest power levels and who is strongest. Often this is the case in the series and how fights are lost or won but I dont feel that Goku is too much stronger than a SS3 Gotenks or weaker (if the case is either or). I think there is many other deciding factors in these fights which could decide the outcome. Goku could turn the kids immaturity and arrogance against them, beating them in other ways. kids crazy moves and enthusiam in fighting could overcome Goku. Versus often bore me because if someone comes up with another means for a weaker fighter to win it is shot down because the opposing fighter is strong, always it comes down to just that. Sometime it is an absolute landslide who should win (like say Cell vs Frieza), other times there is a bit more to it other than power. I do like to read the facts and credits people give for their winning side as often it helps clear things in my mind on certain fighters from certain stages. Stuff ive said is mostly right, maybe SS3 Goku (alive) is weaker than a SS3 Gotenks but not SS. Nothing you guys have mentioned is wrong either. just clearing up and adding a little on the facts i think. Details that people might have forgotten. Edited by BattleMetal, Jul 13 2009, 06:41 PM.
	http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8040430/1/ Link to my DBZ fan-fic tale: Saiyans, Frieza, the Ginyu Force and other alien races and beings all chucked into the soup-pot for all out action and glory! http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8129945/1/#new Link to a DBZ inspired story/ battle scenario that i did when i was 16 http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8071554/1/#new Link to the Marvel/DC tale of the super-powered hereos and villians of both verses. Biggest heavy-hitters square off in an almight-free-for-all brawl!


Nothing	Jul 14 2009, 02:35 PM Post #20
Posts: 153 Group: Member Member #4,026 Joined: March 13, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox	Psyam Jul 12 2009, 03:35 PM Goku stated that he and Vegeta together didn't stand a chance against Super Buu (with no one absorbed). SSJ3 Gotenks was able to put up an even fight against Super Buu, therefore Goku and Vegeta together would also not stand a chance against SSJ3 Gotenks. SSJ3 Gotenks is far above SSJ3 Goku...but that's not the topic. I agree that Goku wouldn't of know exactly how strong Gotenks was gonna be, but that still indicates Gotenks is stronger. I think that pre-ROSAT SSJ Gotenks would lose due to being weaker and having less experience, but post-ROSAT he'd win through power and his developed moves. Look at what the Ghost Kamakazi Attack did to Super Buu, a fighter far above SSJ3 Goku. That attack alone would kill Goku if it landed. Ok, so maybe (just maybe) SSJ3 Gotenks is above SSJ3 Goku, but not that far above.



Nothing	Jul 14 2009, 02:40 PM Post #21
Posts: 153 Group: Member Member #4,026 Joined: March 13, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox	Brian Jul 13 2009, 05:34 AM Nothing Jul 12 2009, 02:50 AM And don't please say that thing: "Goku said that the fighter stronger than him self(In this case Gotenks) would be fighting Majin Buu " Goku said that only to convince Majin Buu not to go and destroy everything...Goku couldn't have known how strong Gotenks is going to be. Many are thinking that Gotenks is stronger just because of this sentence Goku said to Buu. Then, if Goku didn't know that Gotenks would be strong enough, why didn't Goku himself fight Majin Buu? Also, how about when Goku fights evenly with Kid Buu (who is weaker than Super Buu)? Gotenks put up a decent fight against Super Buu, if I recall correctly. common sense > inability to accept logical reasoning common sense > crazed teenage fan boy Goku wanted for his kids to try and save the world since, he himself had done it more than enough times. And wasn't Super Buu just playing around with Gotenks ssj3 ?!



~~Dark~~	Jul 14 2009, 07:10 PM Post #22
Posts: 1,589 Group: GTFO Member #4,185 Joined: May 9, 2009 What Browser do you use? Flareon	Nothing Jul 14 2009, 02:35 PM Psyam Jul 12 2009, 03:35 PM Goku stated that he and Vegeta together didn't stand a chance against Super Buu (with no one absorbed). SSJ3 Gotenks was able to put up an even fight against Super Buu, therefore Goku and Vegeta together would also not stand a chance against SSJ3 Gotenks. SSJ3 Gotenks is far above SSJ3 Goku...but that's not the topic. I agree that Goku wouldn't of know exactly how strong Gotenks was gonna be, but that still indicates Gotenks is stronger. I think that pre-ROSAT SSJ Gotenks would lose due to being weaker and having less experience, but post-ROSAT he'd win through power and his developed moves. Look at what the Ghost Kamakazi Attack did to Super Buu, a fighter far above SSJ3 Goku. That attack alone would kill Goku if it landed. Ok, so maybe (just maybe) SSJ3 Gotenks is above SSJ3 Goku, but not that far above. Yeah, that sounds more like it. Oh, and stop double posting god damn it!



Nothing	Jul 15 2009, 01:46 PM Post #23
Posts: 153 Group: Member Member #4,026 Joined: March 13, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox	Brian Jul 14 2009, 07:10 PM Nothing Jul 14 2009, 02:35 PM Psyam Jul 12 2009, 03:35 PM Goku stated that he and Vegeta together didn't stand a chance against Super Buu (with no one absorbed). SSJ3 Gotenks was able to put up an even fight against Super Buu, therefore Goku and Vegeta together would also not stand a chance against SSJ3 Gotenks. SSJ3 Gotenks is far above SSJ3 Goku...but that's not the topic. I agree that Goku wouldn't of know exactly how strong Gotenks was gonna be, but that still indicates Gotenks is stronger. I think that pre-ROSAT SSJ Gotenks would lose due to being weaker and having less experience, but post-ROSAT he'd win through power and his developed moves. Look at what the Ghost Kamakazi Attack did to Super Buu, a fighter far above SSJ3 Goku. That attack alone would kill Goku if it landed. Ok, so maybe (just maybe) SSJ3 Gotenks is above SSJ3 Goku, but not that far above. Yeah, that sounds more like it. Oh, and stop double posting god damn it! Actually, I only said that cause i am tired of arguing...



Meta Cooler	Jul 15 2009, 02:23 PM Post #24
Posts: 299 Group: Member Member #4,304 Joined: July 12, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/GT What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer	BOTTTOM LINE SSJ3 Gotenks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. SSJ Gotenks isn't.
	An optimist is someone who falls off the Empire State Building, and after 50 floors says, 'So far so good!' If you can't see the bright side of life, polish the dull side. If you lend someone $20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it.


Super Goku	Jul 15 2009, 09:48 PM Post #25
Vizard Jinchurikii Posts: 966 Group: Member Member #4,266 Joined: June 26, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Naruto	I think SSJ Gotenks is stronger because: When SSJ3 Goku was fighting Janemba, he was having trouble. When Goku and Vegeta did the fusion dance and they turned into SSJ Gogeta, he could take a direct punch to the face and ignore it. That shows how much difference in power there is between a SSJ3 and a SSJ fusion So if there is that much of a leap in power from a fusion, i think that Gotenks could barely beat SSJ3 Goku. I say barely because Goku and Vegeta's PLs were higher, so the leap in power from their fusion would be bigger, and obviously since Trunks and Goten didnt have PLs as strong as Goku and Vegeta's, the leap wouldnt be as big. But SSJ3 Goku put up a fight against Kid Buu, so i think he could take on Super Buu. SSJ Gotenks took on Super buu and roughed him up pretty bad. This makes it difficult to say... But i think SSJ Gotenks is a little bit stronger. His spontaneous attacks might be able to catch Goku off guard too.
	BURNING HELL FTW


BUU	Jul 17 2009, 09:31 PM Post #26
Posts: 148 Group: Member Member #4,313 Joined: July 15, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? internet explorer Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	In my opinion, Gotenks would have a slight disadvantage in his base form, but judging from the way he was handling against Super buu in his S.S. and S.S. 3 forms, I'd say that Gotenks would most likely win. Although in wrath of the dragon, Gotenks was no match for Hirudegarn when he transformed, while S.S. 3 Goku beat Hirudegarn almost too easily. Since Gotenks is a fusion, he has a big advantage, but if Goku can survive long enough for 30 minutes and the fusion wears off, the boys are screwed. Chances of winning: Gotenks: 55% Goku: 45%



* Psyam	Jul 17 2009, 09:37 PM Post #27
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	What people forget is that Goku only succeeded in beating Hirudegarn because he exploited his weakness. Hirudegarn gets weaker when he gets angry. Goku taunted him then caught him with his guard down. That does show how good a fighter Goku is, though. But as I said, if a Ghost Kamikaze Attack hits Goku, he's probably going to die. It totally destroyed Super Buu, who was stronger then SSJ Gotenks.



BUU	Jul 18 2009, 08:28 PM Post #28
Posts: 148 Group: Member Member #4,313 Joined: July 15, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? internet explorer Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Yeah, it's true that gotenks is more powerful and would probably kill Goku a Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack, but power isn't the only thing we must consider in a fight. We must think of techniques, intelligence, factors, etc. We must consider the possibility that Goku can use Instant Transmittion to dodge that attack. Also, what if Gotenks' cockiness gets to him? What if Goku's forgiving nature cost him the fight? And we must also consider the possibility that Goku can stall them long enough for 30 minutes so that the fusion wears off. Although he may seem stupid at times, Goku can be an intelligent fighter. We also must keep in mind that since Gotenks is a fusion of Goten and Trunks, they wouldn't do an attack so powerful that it would kill Goku; afterall, Goku is Goten's father.



* Psyam	Jul 19 2009, 06:07 PM Post #29
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	Well, I always take fighters as assuming they would kill each other. Otherwise it gives an unfair advantage to the weaker fighter. Goku is a better fight, but Gotenks after ROSAT is too strong for him, in my opinion. As for Instant Transmission, Goku doesn't ever seem to use it in battle, apart from against Cell. Maybe it requires too much concentration. Of course, Goku could just teleport to another far off planet and wait for 30 minutes, but I think that's cheating a bit, lol.



BUU	Jul 19 2009, 06:38 PM Post #30
Posts: 148 Group: Member Member #4,313 Joined: July 15, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? internet explorer Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Psyam Jul 19 2009, 06:07 PM Of course, Goku could just teleport to another far off planet and wait for 30 minutes, but I think that's cheating a bit, lol. Good point.



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